If We Had No Injuries What Would Our Record Be?

I think it's because personnel wasn't the only factor in losing those games. So changing one variable isn't necessarily enough to change the outcome of the contest.

You could argue though that there was a domino effect, it's an old cliche but it rings true, guys like Jansen, Washington and esp. Randy Thomas can make other players on a team better...I agree with the 8-1 theory.

i dont get anyone saying Jansen has not been a good tackle lately?? He has been as good as anyone. For us to have two probowl caliber bookend tackles is hard to find. Jansen should have made the probowl a year ago. dude played with two broken thumbs and a torn calf. didn't give up a holding penalty all year. Funny how in some threads the talk of the injury to Jansen was devistating, but then people seem to say he isnt' very good.
Record wise, we may be a couple of games better. its hard to say, we'll never know.

we should be 8-1 with the injuries.... we had all those games except the new england game won at the half.

I agree.

But to entertain the question, I think our record would be either 8-1 or 7-2. I think the Pats still beat us, maybe closer but not all that close anyways. The other loss I think is either the GB or NY loss. I think we still could've lost those two games if everyone was healthy.

In Green Bay, we maybe could have been able to hold onto the lead by grinding it out better, but as bad as the weather was that day and everyone's inability to catch or hold onto a ball. I think we still would've pissed that one away.

Against the Giants, Gibbs' second half gameplan would've probably work had the line been healthy. I don't think we would've been in a situation where Betts is trying to punch it in at the end of the game. But the way, the Giants moved the ball on us when it mattered in the second half, they still could've pulled it out.

i dont get anyone saying Jansen has not been a good tackle lately?? He has been as good as anyone. For us to have two probowl caliber bookend tackles is hard to find. Jansen should have made the probowl a year ago. dude played with two broken thumbs and a torn calf. didn't give up a holding penalty all year. Funny how in some threads the talk of the injury to Jansen was devistating, but then people seem to say he isnt' very good.
Record wise, we may be a couple of games better. its hard to say, we'll never know.

Are you serious. He had two thumbs in casts, want to venture a reason as to why he didn't have a holding penalty, maybe because it's nearly impossible to hold without the use of your thumbs? Just an idea....

I'm not denying anything Jansen has done for this team, and he was a great tackle for us for a while. Personally, I don't feel he's going to rebound from his injuries. He was getting worked all preseason and early in games. If you want to bring up "It's only preseason" I'll go ahead and bring up, if he can't beat his man 1v1, what will he do when twists and stunts start becoming involved in the game. If he comes back and plays at a high level, I'll be as happy as anyone. I just don't see it and I like Heyer, but if the coaching staff doesn't like him, our #1 should probably be going for a OT.

Are you serious. He had two thumbs in casts, want to venture a reason as to why he didn't have a holding penalty, maybe because it's nearly impossible to hold without the use of your thumbs? Just an idea....

I'm not denying anything Jansen has done for this team, and he was a great tackle for us for a while. Personally, I don't feel he's going to rebound from his injuries. He was getting worked all preseason and early in games. If you want to bring up "It's only preseason" I'll go ahead and bring up, if he can't beat his man 1v1, what will he do when twists and stunts start becoming involved in the game. If he comes back and plays at a high level, I'll be as happy as anyone. I just don't see it and I like Heyer, but if the coaching staff doesn't like him, our #1 should probably be going for a OT.

Fabini had a pretty bad camp and he's worked out ok. Sometimes it's ok to say "it's only preseason".

I would have to say 7 & 2 as well. The Packers game is a coin toss in my opinion.

Sometimes it isn't too Matty. Maybe I'm off here, but I remember seeing Jansen get beat a lot early in the season. I hope he comes back full strength, he would be huge for this team.

Also, according to Cpayne he says he's pretty sure he had a holding penalty or two that season, but I have nothing to back that up. Anyone have a good stat. site?

I'm sure Jansen drew some holding penalties last year.

I'm sure Jansen drew some holding penalties last year.

Yea if not holding a clipping penalty for sure

5/4 because the players and coaches suck and it would not matter.