Gibbs

I know half the people don't agree with what Gibbs has done but lets take a look back.

He drafted C. Rogers over M. Williams (who I know everyone wanted). How did that end up?

We got Portis and Springs essentially for Bailey and T. Bell.

We Got M. Washington, C. Griffin, C. Rabach, L. Fletcher, Randle El, Moss

We Drafted J. Campbell, S. Taylor, L. Landry, R. McIntosh, A. Montgomery, K. Golston

Didn't overpay Smoot and then brought him back for much less

We found C. Wilson. L. Alexander, S. Suisham, E. Albright

We waited to play J. Campbell until he was ready while everyone was screaming for him. We didn't throw him in the fire look at how that worked out for San Fran and others.

He built a physical team from Spurriers mess he left us with.

We are complaining about a WINNING record when we haven't won anything in 16 years.

Sure there were a few mishaps Lloyd, Archuleta, Clark.

But can anyone say when if he steps down we aren't light years ahead of where we were? I didn't think so.

Not to be a dick but this has been said ad nauseam. Try the search feature... That said, I do agree with everything you posted.

The only problem with that is that if he were to leave, this team won't have much of future because Washington looks like his career is going to start to tail off, Rabach is still solid, but Fletcher is 32, Griffin is almost done, and Santana Moss...well, he looks like Santana Moss again. The guy was always injured and inconsistent in NY and now he's doing the same thing here. He's only had 2 1000+ yard receiving years out of 7 in the league, it's not that he can't play, he just can't stay healthy and that leads to inconsistency. As for Randle El, he should be solid for the foreseeable future, but outside of that, this team is not that well prepared to make a long run into the future.

None of this should be misconstrued as being a "hater," I really like all of these guys, but they don't have much time left and this team needs to start getting younger. I like the mix they have, and by no means are the Skins the oldest team in the NFL or even that close to it, but there does need to be some infusion of young talent on the offensive side of the ball and some more of it on the D Line.

Also, Marty "found" Ethan Albright who was already in the league for 5 years.

all great points. Good post

The only problem with that is that if he were to leave, this team won't have much of future because Washington looks like his career is going to start to tail off, Rabach is still solid, but Fletcher is 32, Griffin is almost done, and Santana Moss...well, he looks like Santana Moss again. The guy was always injured and inconsistent in NY and now he's doing the same thing here. He's only had 2 1000+ yard receiving years out of 7 in the league, it's not that he can't play, he just can't stay healthy and that leads to inconsistency. As for Randle El, he should be solid for the foreseeable future, but outside of that, this team is not that well prepared to make a long run into the future.

None of this should be misconstrued as being a "hater," I really like all of these guys, but they don't have much time left and this team needs to start getting younger. I like the mix they have, and by no means are the Skins the oldest team in the NFL or even that close to it, but there does need to be some infusion of young talent on the offensive side of the ball and some more of it on the D Line.

Also, Marty "found" Ethan Albright who was already in the league for 5 years.

We have HB Blades in the wings to replace Fletcher, I wouldn't be surprised if is an impact player next year. Michael Espy to replace Moss (yes I think he's that good) only concern is coming back from injury.

I know half the people don't agree with what Gibbs has done but lets take a look back.

He drafted C. Rogers over M. Williams (who I know everyone wanted). How did that end up?

We got Portis and Springs essentially for Bailey and T. Bell.

We Got M. Washington, C. Griffin, C. Rabach, L. Fletcher, Randle El, Moss

We Drafted J. Campbell, S. Taylor, L. Landry, R. McIntosh, A. Montgomery, K. Golston

Didn't overpay Smoot and then brought him back for much less

We found C. Wilson. L. Alexander, S. Suisham, E. Albright

We waited to play J. Campbell until he was ready while everyone was screaming for him. We didn't throw him in the fire look at how that worked out for San Fran and others.

He built a physical team from Spurriers mess he left us with.

We are complaining about a WINNING record when we haven't won anything in 16 years.

Sure there were a few mishaps Lloyd, Archuleta, Clark.

But can anyone say when if he steps down we aren't light years ahead of where we were? I didn't think so.

Indeed, this is a subject that we're beating to death. But to respond to the challenge of "can anyone say when [Gibbs] steps down we aren't light years ahead of where we were," I can't imagine I'm the only one who could very, very easily say that, if he were to step down today, we are NOT "light years" ahead of where we were. Again, we're going over and over this topic. But as that bastard Parcells proclaimed, you're as good as your record, and Gibbs overall record more than three and a half years into his second stint is below
.500, which makes him almost indistinguishable from the five coaches (Richie, Turner, Robiske, Marty, Spurrier) who preceded him (well, Marty actually had an even .500). As Boswell said in the Post last week, this team is mediocre. Period. If you're saying that Gibbs has laid a foundation for a powerhouse in the years to come, well, that's something I haven't heard too many NFL experts say. Sure, the so-called "experts" consistently show that they don't exactly have crystal balls, but I guess I'm just not as confident as you are that the current team is a youthful, soon-to-be dominator. Look, I'm not blaming anything on Coach Joe, I'm simply responding to your suggestion that he has radically turned the organization around. He hasn't.

I think this is an important point. Joe Gibbs has made this a much better organization than it was before he came back from retirement. In terms of personnel moves, stability and character, we are far closer to being the "old Redskins" than we were under Turner or Spurrier. (To be honest, I think Schottenheimer had us on the right track, too...)

I know that I greatly underestimated how big of a mess Spurrier left behind here - and I think other did as well. In many ways, we were well on our way to becoming the Lions or the Cardinals - consistent losers with a bad front office.

So, while Joe Gibbs hasn't gotten us a fourth Lombardy trophy (yet), but we are back on the path to respectability. And a hard loss to the Eagles doesn't change that fact.

Uh, he didn't find Ethan Albright.... feels like Albright has been around since his first tenure, but Albright was here before Gibbs 2.0

Gibbs is, and will always be the man. He's played a major part in making this franchise what it is. He's still doing a good job even though the league has changed drastically since his first time around.

Ok. He didn't find Albright. But how about we replace him with Cooley who I somehow left off the list.

Some of you guys still miss the point I don't understand how you cannot see the fact that we have vastly improved in personnel since he got back and we have a solid foundation. Not to mention a Potential FRANCHISE QB who has only started 16 games.

This is very similar to Parcells in Dallas. We want to run Gibbs out of town then watch his players be great, and give all the creidt to another coach.