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Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-12-2007, 03:09 PM After wasting two timeouts to prevent delay of game penalties - - in THEIR OWN STADIUM - - the braintrust on the sidelines decided to spend the last timeout challenging a call that was so obviously not going to be overturned. Who was up in the booth looking at replays telling Joe Gibbs to toss that red flag on the field? Stevie Wonder?
I'm a staunch Gibbs supporter, but these clock management issues definitely need to get worked out. I was pounding my fist on the bar when we took our second timeout. Gibbs gets a pass for the challenge, but we seriously need to find a new guy up in the booth. We've got to have one of the worst success rates on challenges in the league.
GhettoDogAllStars 11-12-2007, 03:10 PM Whatever, the offense doesn't play their plays in a vacuum - and the same for the defense. I don't want a math formula to figure out games. All I know was the offense had 2 chances at the end to win the game and didn't. There were already a few times this season that the defense stepped up - even in this game with the forced fumble. How do you throw a defense like that under the proverbial bus?
The expectations for the offense are so low and the defense too high. It's time for the offense to step up.
Let me say again: the previous games don't matter. They're irrelevant regarding this argument.
The defense had far more than two chances to stop Philly from scoring, and they didn't. Why do you ignore that? We were missing tackles left and right, from Brian Westbrook -- probably the smallest back in the league. We'd get to him, but he'd break our arm tackles. But, I guess you're right: that wasn't the defense's fault. :doh:
Would you agree that it's unreasonable to demand 50 points from your offense every game? I would. It's unreasonable because of the probability that it happens is very low. That is why the numbers are important. You are demanding something unreasonable from the offense.
The defense, on the other hand, gave up 33 points yesterday. The worst defense in the league gives up 29 points on average.
warriorzpath 11-12-2007, 03:16 PM Let me say again: the previous games don't matter. They're irrelevant regarding this argument.
The defense had far more than two chances to stop Philly from scoring, and they didn't. Why do you ignore that? We were missing tackles left and right, from Brian Westbrook -- probably the smallest back in the league. We'd get to him, but he'd break our arm tackles. But, I guess you're right: that wasn't the defense's fault.
Would you agree that it's unreasonable to demand 50 points from your offense every game? I would. It's unreasonable because of the probability that it happens is very low. That is why the numbers are important. You are demanding something unreasonable from the offense.
The defense, on the other hand, gave up 33 points yesterday. The worst defense in the league gives up 29 points on average.
What are you talking about - "the previous games don't matter". When you're taking into account the average points of the worst defense and the top 5 offensive average points per game. I can't argue with the performance of past redskins games this season, but you can argue with stats of games of other teams?
GhettoDogAllStars 11-12-2007, 03:20 PM What are you talking about - "the previous games don't matter". When you're taking into account the average points of the worst defense and the top 5 offensive average points per game. I can't argue with the performance of past redskins games this season, but you can argue with stats of games of other teams?
I am using the cumulative stats from previous games around the league as a way to measure the performance of the offense and defense yesterday. What are you using to measure their performance? You are just saying they should have scored more. Well, I guess that argument works every time.
I agree, we needed our offense to score when they had the chance. I'm not arguing that. However, if the defense did its job yesterday that would be a moot point. So, the defense didn't do its job and it's the offense's responsibility to bail them out. They didn't, and it's their fault we lost the game? Where's the logic?
warriorzpath 11-12-2007, 03:21 PM Let me say again: the previous games don't matter. They're irrelevant regarding this argument.
The defense had far more than two chances to stop Philly from scoring, and they didn't. Why do you ignore that? We were missing tackles left and right, from Brian Westbrook -- probably the smallest back in the league. We'd get to him, but he'd break our arm tackles. But, I guess you're right: that wasn't the defense's fault. :doh:
Would you agree that it's unreasonable to demand 50 points from your offense every game? I would. It's unreasonable because of the probability that it happens is very low. That is why the numbers are important. You are demanding something unreasonable from the offense.
The defense, on the other hand, gave up 33 points yesterday. The worst defense in the league gives up 29 points on average.
I think you lost me at "Hi". Are you a math major ?
I'm a staunch Gibbs supporter, but these clock management issues definitely need to get worked out. I was pounding my fist on the bar when we took our second timeout. Gibbs gets a pass for the challenge, but we seriously need to find a new guy up in the booth. We've got to have one of the worst success rates on challenges in the league.
There seemed to be clock mgmt. issues across the league yesterday. Look at Dungy last night burning his last time out to talk to the refs about that illegal shift they got flagged on. Not trying to justify our issues, just saying that it's not exclusive to us.
GTripp0012 11-12-2007, 03:23 PM What are you talking about - "the previous games don't matter". Read the title of the thread.
Now go back and answer your own question.
GTripp0012 11-12-2007, 03:25 PM There seemed to be clock mgmt. issues across the league yesterday. Look at Dungy last night burning his last time out to talk to the refs about that illegal shift they got flagged on. Not trying to justify our issues, just saying that it's not exclusive to us.Poor clock management is rampant throughout the league. Some staffs just manage the clock better than others.
The fact that the teams that do really don't win any more often than the teams that don't has lead me to the point that clock management is very overrated.
warriorzpath 11-12-2007, 03:25 PM I am using the cumulative stats from previous games around the league as a way to measure the performance of the offense and defense yesterday. What are you using to measure their performance? You are just saying they should have scored more. Well, I guess that argument works every time.
I agree, we needed our offense to score when they had the chance. I'm not arguing that. However, if the defense did its job yesterday that would be a moot point. So, the defense didn't do its job and it's the offense's responsibility to bail them out. They didn't, and it's their fault we lost the game? Where's the logic?
Let me try that - the probability of the team that scores with the majority of the total points at the completion of one regulation game will be 100%.
warriorzpath 11-12-2007, 03:26 PM Read the title of the thread.
Now go back and answer your own question.
Now read the rest of my post and what I replied to.
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