Its time for joe to step down.

Now that's well thought out Schneed and a good post. I think Gibbs the team President has tried to help Gibbs the coach, but he's just got too many irons in the fire. In my opinion, instead of giving up play calling, he should've given up being a GM. At the same time, I understand why Gibbs took on that role as well. Still, if all that Gibbs has to concentrate on is coaching this team, we'd be an elite team right now. Joe is still the Joe Gibbs from the glory years, but he's spreading himself way too thin. He needs some help in the FO.

(Thanks SS! ;))

Good points. He's certainly made more mistakes in the office than on the field. Joe Gibbs hasn't always supported Joe Gibbs. There is hope that that is turning around. We've seen some signs (perhaps mostly idle words) of this, but it's a tough hole he's dug that he is ultimately responsible for.

But, as I mentioned last season, I think our talent evaluation issues may be at a more basic, scouting level.

Either way, it's definitely something that needs to be improved

(by the way, Schneed I removed your post from the other thread b/c it made more sense just to have it here)

Cool beans, thanks for keeping us organized.

He's done some good things with player acquisition. Most of the free agents he's brought in were good. Though Griffin, Washington, and Moss are looking less like the big winners they were back in 2004. Those guys are hurt a little too often for my tastes. He's made good picks with Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, etc. Campbell especially may have the capability to keep us in the playoff hunt every year. And you're right, they have said they'll keep 2008's draft picks, so that seems to show they're learning their lesson.

So I can't totally crap on Gibbs. After all, we're in a much better situation than we were when Spurrier was here, which says a lot. And I think we'd be 7-2 right now if we never lost Randy Thomas to injury (goalline beast).

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.


I hear ya! I'm just hoping whoever we have left to step up will do so starting this week.

Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.

Cool beans, thanks for keeping us organized.

He's done some good things with player acquisition. Most of the free agents he's brought in were good. Though Griffin, Washington, and Moss are looking less like the big winners they were back in 2004. Those guys are hurt a little too often for my tastes. He's made good picks with Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, etc. Campbell especially may have the capability to keep us in the playoff hunt every year. And you're right, they have said they'll keep 2008's draft picks, so that seems to show they're learning their lesson.

So I can't totally crap on Gibbs. After all, we're in a much better situation than we were when Spurrier was here, which says a lot. And I think we'd be 7-2 right now if we never lost Randy Thomas to injury (goalline beast).

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.Playoffs or no playoffs, this won't be the year the Redskins return to glory.

Nothing glorious about being the 6th seed in the NFC at 9-7...but it does mean more football, which should be the goal at this point. Just last as long as you can.

Anyway, you already know I agree with you on the personnel moves. The logic behind those were very straightforward, the only problem was the only scouting done on them was asking Al Saunders what he thought of them. We brought Saunders in here, treated him like a godsend offensive mastermind, and got burned. Now we keep him in his corner and let him run practice and make game plans. He doesn't really have Gibbs' trust in personnel imput though.

Trying to acquire a power back, a receiver with reputation of an up and comer, and an established safety with a rep for being a big hitter seemed good in theory at the time, but the team simply acted before doing their homework. Over the next few seasons, we will feel the effects of those moves.

Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.Yeah, pretty much.

We really have invested so much in the secondary over the years. It's a shame that we are so reliant on it's dominance. Normally, I'd be very happy with Landry, Smoot, Springs, and Prioleau in the secondary. That's a lot better than the Rogers, Wright, Taylor, and Vernon Fox we were playing with last year. The problem is this team set the bar really high for itself at the beginning of the year, but doesn't have the talent anymore to fulfill these expectations.

I said at the beginning of the year on this here fourm that the Redskins had a better chance to beat the Eagles on the road in Week 2 than they did at home in Week 10. The difference in depth between these two teams is mind boggling. We were able to get them when we had a healthy defense, but as the season began to sap our players, there became a point in which the Eagles passed us in the level of talent they had on the field. Seems like the only position(s) where we have them now is MLB, TE, and arguably Quarterback. Back in September, we had them on the offensive line, at the receivers, in the secondary, and even on the defensive line. They just have solid depth at those positions and we do not.

We still have a one game lead on them and they still have a way tougher schedule down the stretch so we should stay ahead of them.

This is a prime example of not being allowed to go against the grain on a so called fan forum. Unfortunately some people only appreciate "speaking your mind" when your in agreement with them. Im about to be "benched" for this truthful statement, give me a break. I dont really understand what this website is about, come on, its about being a kool-aid drinker and everyone who says anything negative about the team is all of a sudden in danger of being benched. If you cant take a debate, then dont get involved in the argument.


GS you the bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell it like it is brother!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its not gonna happen,so dont do this to yourself,I been doing this the last couple of years and all I have got is laughed at by all the cowboys,giants and eagles fans at my job it SUCKS dude,not to mention the money I lost on side bets.It is what it is.



Whatever you do redduke don't bet your cowboy buddies this week, unless your getting a minimum of 24 points!

GS you the bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell it like it is brother!!!!!!!!!!!!

Offiss, your MO is very clear - bitch about everything from Gibbs, to the players, to this site. You are the guy who complains about the summer being hotter than a furnace, the winter being colder than shit, the spring being wetter than a pool, the fall being too brown, your boss is Hitler, the waitress is slower than Corky from Life Goes On, you are going to die if you have to do X. We get it.

It has been old for quite some time and now it's beyond annoying. It's one thing to criticize, it's quite another to bitch. You don't criticize intelligently like other people (e.g., Schneed and GMScud), you bitch. You don't see the good and the bad, you only see the bad. You don't use any nuance and you never say anything with any degree of restraint. You are like the guy in my law school class who saw the world in black and white terms and couldn't understand why he was flunking out of school. Frankly, you remind me of my girlfriend when she is on the rag. Fortunately for me, I can just blow off my girlfriend and tell myself, "She'll be sane and rational again in a few days." Unfortunately, your snatch is apparently constantly bleeding like a stuck pig and you never change.

This post violates a few site rules and I don't care if I am censored by the other mods for it. I can deal with people criticizing the team (as I have on many, many, many occasions), but to hear someone do it ALL the time and to hear them bitch about this site is too much. I am going to invite you to do yourself and all of us a favor......walk away. If this site and this team suck so much, go become a Cowboys fan.

GS you the bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell it like it is brother!!!!!!!!!!!!

You should know as well as anyone else that GS's statements were stupid, inane, and completely inaccurate. If you can't see that, you should leave.