Its time for joe to step down.

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Jamaican'Skin
11-12-2007, 01:06 PM
I saw we fire the whole team, move to Montana and start an expansion team.



Psych

Beemnseven
11-12-2007, 01:21 PM
I repeat a statement that I made earlier:

Philly DID NOT come with an all out blitz on the third down draw play from the 7. Go back and look at the play if you have a chance - Philly faked blitz prior to the snap before dropping the LBs. They only rushed the four D-linemen, the linebackers stayed home in the middle of the field, which doomed that play from the start. Portis was tackled at the 3 yardline - to me that's not even coming close to a clinching TD.

That call probably works less than 25 percent of the time at that down and distance. I like our chances much more letting Campbell make a play, especially given his stellar play in the red zone.

Yep. You go with what works and what had been working. Campbell was on target yesterday, then they tried to get cute and fake everybody out on a draw play.

I'd be willing to bet that Gibbs was ready to settle for three to begin with, and put it on the backs of the defense, who'd been scorched all day by Westbrook. It's the same strategy we've seen all year.

Are we honestly going to assume that the defense is going to be lights out and close the victory every single time? Why not let the offense do it for a change?

GTripp0012
11-12-2007, 02:08 PM
Yep. You go with what works and what had been working. Campbell was on target yesterday, then they tried to get cute and fake everybody out on a draw play.

I'd be willing to bet that Gibbs was ready to settle for three to begin with, and put it on the backs of the defense, who'd been scorched all day by Westbrook. It's the same strategy we've seen all year.

Are we honestly going to assume that the defense is going to be lights out and close the victory every single time? Why not let the offense do it for a change?We were definitely trying.

We didn't succeed. Why does the blame for that automatically fall on the coaching staff? Why? I need a reason.

What reason did we have to think that throwing the ball from the seven would be an automatic touchdown?

First and goal at the three, you are going to score a TD 80% of the time. 80% is not a certainty. Once you get backed up to the 7 on third down, that's now like 30-35%. Obviously the 3rd down call isn't what ruined our chances to score.

4 mins to go, no timeouts, and 70 yards to go each one of them need for a touchdown is pretty steep odds to win. I would not have passed up a chance to put a team in that position. To me, that is going for the jugular.

Once you have them down to those slim odds, you just have to execute. On the screen pass, we just got lazy. That's why we lost.

Beemnseven
11-12-2007, 04:20 PM
We were definitely trying.

We didn't succeed. Why does the blame for that automatically fall on the coaching staff? Why? I need a reason.

What reason did we have to think that throwing the ball from the seven would be an automatic touchdown?

First and goal at the three, you are going to score a TD 80% of the time. 80% is not a certainty. Once you get backed up to the 7 on third down, that's now like 30-35%. Obviously the 3rd down call isn't what ruined our chances to score.

4 mins to go, no timeouts, and 70 yards to go each one of them need for a touchdown is pretty steep odds to win. I would not have passed up a chance to put a team in that position. To me, that is going for the jugular.

Once you have them down to those slim odds, you just have to execute. On the screen pass, we just got lazy. That's why we lost.

With the way Campbell had been performing up to that point, I like his chances better than that of a draw play. Certainly nothing is automatic, and it could be that no matter what we tried, it just wasn't meant to be that we win this game.

As for the coaches, I've addressed that here. (http://www.redskinswarpath.com/377135-post254.html)

MTK
11-12-2007, 04:23 PM
We were definitely trying.

We didn't succeed. Why does the blame for that automatically fall on the coaching staff? Why? I need a reason.

What reason did we have to think that throwing the ball from the seven would be an automatic touchdown?

First and goal at the three, you are going to score a TD 80% of the time. 80% is not a certainty. Once you get backed up to the 7 on third down, that's now like 30-35%. Obviously the 3rd down call isn't what ruined our chances to score.

4 mins to go, no timeouts, and 70 yards to go each one of them need for a touchdown is pretty steep odds to win. I would not have passed up a chance to put a team in that position. To me, that is going for the jugular.

Once you have them down to those slim odds, you just have to execute. On the screen pass, we just got lazy. That's why we lost.

Good post

redduke44
11-12-2007, 04:51 PM
thanks,your right.
No one is going anywhere, we are 5-4 the season is still somewhat young. The problem with Gibbs this time around is that you CANNOT WIN WITH CONSERVATISM. This league is changed so much that it is an "attack" game. In the 80's and 90's you could get away with it. You can't win being conservative!

redduke44
11-12-2007, 04:57 PM
Injuries are a part of the game,stop making excuesses for joe gibbs.Im a big joe gibbs fan,dont get me wrong,but the game has passed him bye.Ive been supporting him since day one,Hell I drive a ford and pull for tony stewart,so give me a break.It is what it!
And jsarno guy is right, injuries will kill a team. Be thankful for 5-4, instead of 0-9.

redduke44
11-12-2007, 05:04 PM
Thanks for keeping real my redskin brother.What they gonna say next week when the cowboys beat the brakes off us in texas.T.O. is gonna run wild on us and we,ll be trying to kick field golds on fourth and inches.
What explains last season then? I just see a guy doing the " they fought their guts out" routine when they lose a game they deserved to win most of the time. Clock management has stunk all season, the penalties hve been a problem as of late. The injuries have hurt us, plus the lack of execution earlier in the season also. Thing is not much has changed in terms of team attitude from the Norv era. Norv was too laid back, Spurrier was like "Awwwwww Shucks we lost" also. Now we just hear "They fought their guts out". No killer instinct at all and not much imagination. Those lack of attributes you can't blame on injuries!!!!!!!

skinsfan69
11-12-2007, 05:11 PM
With the way Campbell had been performing up to that point, I like his chances better than that of a draw play. Certainly nothing is automatic, and it could be that no matter what we tried, it just wasn't meant to be that we win this game.

As for the coaches, I've addressed that here. (http://www.redskinswarpath.com/377135-post254.html)

Very well put. People are mad because the way JC had been performing. He was having a great day and you take the ball out of his hands? For what??? The draw play was simply a terrible terrible call. If it was on the 3-4 yard line then fine. But 7 yards is too far.

skinsfan69
11-12-2007, 05:13 PM
On the flipside we've seen the heavy jumbo formation work plenty of times this year... so if it worked yesterday and we scored 6 would this even be an issue?

Philly got great penetration, that's us losing the critical man on a man battles.

Well it didn't work against the two division rivals that we needed to beat. It may work against The Jets or some other bad teams.

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