Its time for joe to step down.

I think people are looking too far into things. Take away the dumb penalties yesterday by the players, (not the coaches), and everything is fine and F'ing dandy today. I don't see where anyone should have any major problems with the offense yesterday, we saw some no huddle, 3 and 4 WR sets, shotguns on 1st down, JC threw the ball great, CP was running wild, basically everything we've wanted to see all along.

Crucial penalties killed this game. Look no further than that. I think the coaches did everything they could to put the players in the best position possible to win, bottom line is we were let down by crucial penalties and that has to fall soley on the players. That's an execution issue.

Do you really think that? I would beg to differ. The coaches themselves would beg to differ. The defense had no plan for dealing with Brian Westbrook, clock management is still a maddening issue week after week, ...

No, it's certainly not ALL on the coaches, but everyone should equally share the blame for letting self-destructing 3-5 team on to your home field and sending you out of the stadium a loser.

Do you really think that? I would beg to differ. The coaches themselves would beg to differ. The defense had no plan for dealing with Brian Westbrook, clock management is still a maddening issue week after week, ...

No, it's certainly not ALL on the coaches, but everyone should equally share the blame for letting self-destructing 3-5 team on to your home field and sending you out of the stadium a loser.

Yeah I definitely think that.

Sorry but I can't pin blame on the coaches for the players committing crucial penalties all over the place and not being able to pick up 3 yards for a TD when they had 1st and goal.

Doc Walker on the Monday Morning Quarterback Show just mentioned the 'jumbo' package -- he said it doesn't intimidate anyone the way it used to. If you're right there on the goal line, it's fine, but not five yards from the endzone.

And you're basically broadcasting what you're going to do. Everyone recognizes that we don't have the personnel to pop people in the mouth and dare anyone to stop us the way it was done in 1984. And you're not faking anyone out by lining up people who are run blockers first then sending those same guys out for passing routes.

Six different times they had the ball within an earshot of the goal line and couldn't get it in. Something's clearly wrong there.

Yeah I definitely think that.

Sorry but I can't pin blame on the coaches for the players committing crucial penalties all over the place and not being able to pick up 3 yards for a TD when they had 1st and goal.

I think there's a 'micro' and a 'macro' level for looking at issues like this. On the micro level, no, the coaches aren't on the field commiting false starts or contacting receivers illegally after five yards.

But in the overall grand scheme of things, the 'macro' level, the coaches are responsible for creating an environment of fundamentals, of a killer instinct and winning attitude, and of fostering the mentality of players who do the things necessary to finish off opponents, of closing out a victory, of holding a lead, of making in-game adjustments -- we've seen none of that recently.

The blame goes everywhere. There really isn't any other way to look at it.

we need young coaches who have something to prove. not coaches who are riding there old success...

Whatever you think of Gibbs, he NEVER rode on his pass success. The minute he returned, he said flat out, "past Super Bowls mean nothing today" or something to that effect.

If you're going to slam Gibbs, get your facts straight.

This is my point Matty - the same stuff that has killed this organization for years. At some point this has to fall on coaches for getting the players prepared. The Redskins for the Norv years had the same problems. When Joe took over same thing. Nothing has changes. They have shuffled players in and out of here but the overall bullshit is still the same. Stupid penalties, clock management, using timeouts like they give you 10 before the game. and when the game is on the line, conservative play calling because they are too scared to lose the game instead of having some major balls and going for someones throat.

The offense for 3 quarters looked pretty good. Jason has to be able to open it up. The kid is a PLAYER. Portis looks more comfortable running from 3 WR sets. TELL JOE TO THROW THE DAMN JUMBO PACKAGE OUT THE WINDOW ON RT 7 ON THE WAY TO REDSKIN PARK TODAY!! I live in charlotte NC, and we were watching the game at Hickory Tavern, and there was 10 people at my table, and no one really all that football savy (other than myself, of course!!) plus some people I pulled into the action by screaming and hollering, anyway, they all were saying "they are running here, they are running again?? " this was said before they snapped the fucking ball. So my point is this, if the everyday Joe can call what the Skins are doing before the snap, dont you think the FOOTBALL players and coaches know what the hell we are doing before the ball is snapped.

He has to go. Get someone with some fire that will go off on people.

bring back MARTY!!!If they weren't that football savvy, why just assume that they were right?

The next two weeks are going to be battles. Dallas is really cocky right now. We gotta get to Romo. I just saw next week's lines. Dallas is favored by 11. 11!!! No respect.
You read all the post on this board and you say the line set for the Dallas game gives us no respect! If the people who set the line read the post here the line would be 21. I think we need to put a sticky on the Gibbs to go threads and just pull it back up after every loss.

If they weren't that football savvy, why just assume that they were right?

LOL good point.

I think people are looking too far into things. Take away the dumb penalties yesterday by the players, (not the coaches), and everything is fine and F'ing dandy today. I don't see where anyone should have any major problems with the offense yesterday, we saw some no huddle, 3 and 4 WR sets, shotguns on 1st down, JC threw the ball great, CP was running wild, basically everything we've wanted to see all along.

Crucial penalties killed this game. Look no further than that. I think the coaches did everything they could to put the players in the best position possible to win, bottom line is we were let down by crucial penalties and that has to fall soley on the players. That's an execution issue.

I have been one to be very critical of the staff. And yesterday they made some more f-ups. The draw play from the 7 yard line was just awful. Taking the ball out of JC hands was comical and Gibbs ought to be ashamed of himself. But it always comes down to a few plays in a close game. And in this game the two guys who killed us were Cooley and Smoot.

1. Smoot had a silly penalty on the first drive for illegal contact on a 3rd and long that kept the drive alive for Philly. Philly ended up scoring 7 points on the drive when they should have punted. Now we see why Minn let him go.

2. As much as I love Cooley you can't get a false start AT HOME on the 1 yard line. That is the kind of mental error that Shockey would make. He should give back some of his signing bonus after that critical mistake cause the WR broke wide open on the play and it would have been 7.

I disagree. There's no need to ge cute at the goal line. Philly flat out outplayed us down there, and the false start on Cooley was icing on the cake.

Do you think leaving in the 3 wide set is cute if it works? I watch Indy's offense and I never ever ever see them put in 5 million TE's and try and run people over. Last night they had several short yardage situations and they ran the ball out of 3 wide sets and it worked every time. It creates space and running lanes, and the defense still has to defend the pass. The jumbo BS does not work cause Gibbs is trying to slam a 200 lbs. running back into a pile of 300 + pound men. Maybe if he had Gerald Riggs that crap would work. But if they are going to run Portis he needs some space. I say throw it out and leave it on Route 7.