Forget the Game, what about the F...ing INJURIES?!

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dgack
10-30-2007, 06:18 AM
True enough. However, we are not Indy and JC is no Peyton Manning. For a team that relies on it's O-line to pound the rock, losing the starting right side of the line is devastating. Call it an excuse and say that we should have more depth if you like, but I cannot help but think that this team which ran the ball so well in 2005 and 2006 despite the lack of a passing attack is having a lot of woes because of its inability to run the ball behind a patchwork line.

Agreed -- I guess what I am saying is, given that we know we want to be a grind-it-out, smash mouth team, perhaps we have made the personnel mistake of putting most of our eggs into few baskets. Any of those key O-line personnel go out, and suddenly, our entire offense falls into disarray.

The Indy comparison was not meant to be a direct comparison to our team as we are vastly different, however -- it was meant to show how a team can lose people that are really key to their existing gameplan, and they either adapt a new plan and execute it, or other personnel step up and do a great job in relief.

dgack
10-30-2007, 06:19 AM
Hey GTripp,

Speaking of which teams we should compare to, I'd love to see some analysis compared to Denver. The whole "CP is a system back" argument got me thinking about how well Denver has kept their run game together over the years.

GTripp0012
10-30-2007, 09:13 AM
I'd probably use DPAR (Defense adjusted points above replacement) since Football Outsiders already scales their numbers to equal points in a football game.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2007 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/)

For the offensive lines I'd probably come up with a total value for the line, and attempt to assign a responsibility to each position, but that could get real messy real fast. OLs are always tough to apply numbers to.

I think you could find each players contribution if you averaged their four most recent seasons. That would give a good idea.OK, heres what I found on the injury report:

The injuries to the offensive line are costing us about -.35 yards per carry (thats a lot). The adjusted sack numbers don't really look any different.

Portis' injury that he's trying to play through is crippling him. Normally, he's good for about 20 pts (above replacement) in a season based on the average of his prior three seasons in Washington. This year, hes on pace to finish at about 5 pts (above replacement), well below the league average. It's impossible to tell exactly how much of that decline is due to offensive line and not injury, but the Redskins line ranks 18th in FO's adjusted line yards, but 30th in yards/carry (Houston, Chicago). What's killing our yards/carry is the lack of long 20+ yard runs, and obviously you can't put that on the offensive line. Once a back is in the secondary.

I'd like to run some pass pro numbers after the Pats game is factored in, but that's going to take me some time.

Carlos Rogers' injury is not lethal in terms of pass coverage, because Smoot's splits are nearly identical against the pass. Against the run however, Carlos will be sorely missed. The outside runs are a weak spot on our defense, and we may need to start bringing Landry up into the box again to have a chance to stop it. That could open the floodgates.

Rogers' injury will mean that the Redskins have a replacement level dime back now. I have yet to quantify the effect of a dime back on his defense, but considering that Smoot and Prioleau were playing well in the nickel/dime roles, it's going to be a BIG dropoff. I'd estimate half a game in terms of W/L.

So here's my estimation on how the Skins' record has been affected by those 4 injuries: roughly 1.5-2 games worse off, which is pretty sizable.

theBIGC_1982
10-30-2007, 11:11 PM
Well, I just saw a clip from the Redskins noon radio show. They asked Gibbs what's being done about all the hamstring and groin injuries. More stretching and less reps (because over working is causing muscle fatigue).

And I didn't catch when he came on board, but they now have a hamstring and groin specialist.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
10-31-2007, 01:44 AM
Hey GTripp,

Speaking of which teams we should compare to, I'd love to see some analysis compared to Denver. The whole "CP is a system back" argument got me thinking about how well Denver has kept their run game together over the years.

This doesn't really answer your question....but:

In 2004, Reuben Droughns rushed for 1,240 yards at 4.5 per carry. Want to cite those stats as proof that Broncos backs are system backs? Well in 2005, Reuben Droughns rushed for 1,232 yards at 4.0 yards per carry with the Browns (who didn't have an O-line or a QB). In 2005, Mike Anderson was the Broncos rushing leader with 1,014 yards at 4.2 yards per carry. In 2006 he rushed for 183 yards at 4.7 yards per carry with the Ravens. In 2006, Tatum Bell rushed for 1,025 yards at 4.4 yards per carry. Bell is currently playing for the Lions and has rushed for 182 yards at 4.1 yards per carry.

As we all know, Denver had to go out and sign a aging big-name free agent with drug problems named Travis Henry. The Broncos haven't had anyone that has produced numbers close to Portis'. The Broncos have had a few 1,000 yard rushers, but it's not like they're producing Pro Bowl running backs every year.

In fact, between 2004 (the year Portis left Denver) and 2006, Portis rushed for more yards despite playing the early half of the of 2006 season with injuries and ending up on IR for the latter half of the season. Portis almost rushed for almost as many yards in two seasons as the Broncos leading rushers did in three.

GhettoDogAllStars
10-31-2007, 02:41 AM
For what it's worth, I heard Denver has the most starters out with injury. Something like 12 or 13.

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