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12thMan 10-29-2007, 04:22 PM I work with a Patriots fan and we just had a heated, VERY heated discussion about this. Its funny how most of us and sports columnist, experts feel this was classless act by what transpired on the field yesterday, he was flipping out defending his coach and team. I for one am a diehard skins fan and I guess I was brought up during Gibbs 1 and am i guessed spoiled by having a coach with class. Winning with class, losing with class is what I have always known. its amazes me to see how feverishly he was defending his teams actions and didn't think it was classless if not unwaranted behavior by his coach. I eventually had to end the conversation because I was getting a little over heated. It was not the fact we got our asses whipped, it is the fashion at which the patriots were instructed to play by their coach. He just could not see this and kept screaming this is what they are paid to do. I guess I was hoping to have a conversation with a knowledgable fan that understands the meaning of winning with class, but I guess I was wrong.
I just became on of the biggest colt supporters for next week. and who ever else plays their sorry asses the rest of the year. I hope he tries this shit with someone that has no patience or tollerance for that crap.
One thing is for sure, the football world will be sharply divided during this game on Sunday. It's so funny how this is drawing contrasting, and depending on which side of the argument you fall on, surprising opinions.
People that rooted against the Colts all their life, just might be pulling for them to put a little egg on Belichick's face this coming Sunday.
mheisig 10-29-2007, 04:23 PM I have a question for you, how appalled where you 2 seasons ago when we had the cowboys dead and buried in the 4th quarter and they were trying to move the ball for a consolation TD and Williams kept sending multiple blitzes at Bledsoe? I remember Bledsoe taking a beating of beatings that last drive did you have a problem with that? Because if I remember correctly most here thought it was great? I didn't have a problem with it at the time but then again I'm not a hypocrite. So is G. Williams a classless individual as well? I would love your expert opinion!
Totally different situation.
Yes, the Cowboys were down but a huge deficit, but Parcells kept on pushing into the final seconds of the game, keeping his starters in. Most teams, down that much and in the final couple of minutes would have sent in the backups to throw it around. Parcells kept all his starterss in and kept driving for meaningless points in the last minute of the game, so yeah, I don't blame Williams one bit for sending blitzes in that situation.
I wouldn't blame Belichick one bit for blitzing us when we were pushing for meaningless points late in the game either. Frankly I'm not sure why CP, Moss, and our precious few offensive linemen that we have left were still in the game at that point. Seems like a needless risk by Gibbs and Co. to me.
So in that situation, yeah, Belichick can blitz all he wants and I've got no problem. Turning around and piliing it on with the offensive play calling is a different issue - he sets the tone with that, not us.
70Chip 10-29-2007, 04:26 PM C'mon dude we didn't run up the score in that one. It was 35-7 but it could have been much, much worse. We weren't blitzing much either, Daniels was just beating his man one on one. There's just no comparing that game to this one.
Exactly. That game was 28 -7 at halftime. We could have run it up a lot more in the second half. In addition, when somebody in the PA booth started playing that Willie Nelson song, Gibbs was irate and signalled them to shut it off. Likewise, in Super Bowl 22 we could have probably scored 60 points if we wanted to. It's foolish and unnecessary.
The sickening part is that it is unlikely that anybody will have a chance to return the favor so long as Brady is their QB and I think it's extremely unlikely that Belichek will be around for the fallout once he retires. What I can't understand is the motivation behind it all. Belichek and the Patriots got caught violating NFL rules. Somehow in this man's crippled psychology he has turned that into a justification for trying to humiliate other teams - teams that had nothing whatsoever to do with the exposure of his shenanigans. I could understand paying Mangini back, but I think to do it to a respected coach from the other conference is a bit much.
mheisig 10-29-2007, 04:26 PM Wow, I guess Irish has his nerve for actually having his own opinion, a little out of line with that don't you think?
Did Redskins say Irish couldn't have his own opinion? He just expressed his opinion about Irish's opinion, didn't say he couldn't have one.
For crying out loud, let's leave the straw man arguments in the barn where they belong.
mheisig 10-29-2007, 04:27 PM One thing is for sure, the football world will be sharply divided during this game on Sunday. It's so funny how this is drawing contrasting, and depending on which side of the argument you fall on, surprising opinions.
People that rooted against the Colts all their life, just might be pulling for them to put a little egg on Belichick's face this coming Sunday.
Absolutely right, and regardless of your position on all of this, I think we can all agree that this coming weekend is going to be one hell of a game to watch, especially given how divided and passionate the fans are on both sides.
12thMan 10-29-2007, 04:27 PM I'll tell you what this game is really headed toward: The day when Roger Goodell has to hand over that Vince Lombardi trophy to Bob Kraft and that SOB Belichick and feign his sincerest congratulations to the Patriots and their city. You think Belichick isn't replaying this in his mind somehow?
skinsfan69 10-29-2007, 04:29 PM I work with a Patriots fan and we just had a heated, VERY heated discussion about this. Its funny how most of us and sports columnist, experts feel this was classless act by what transpired on the field yesterday, he was flipping out defending his coach and team. I for one am a diehard skins fan and I guess I was brought up during Gibbs 1 and am i guessed spoiled by having a coach with class. Winning with class, losing with class is what I have always known. its amazes me to see how feverishly he was defending his teams actions and didn't think it was classless if not unwaranted behavior by his coach. I eventually had to end the conversation because I was getting a little over heated. It was not the fact we got our asses whipped, it is the fashion at which the patriots were instructed to play by their coach. He just could not see this and kept screaming this is what they are paid to do. I guess I was hoping to have a conversation with a knowledgable fan that understands the meaning of winning with class, but I guess I was wrong.
I just became on of the biggest colt supporters for next week. and who ever else plays their sorry asses the rest of the year. I hope he tries this shit with someone that has no patience or tollerance for that crap.
Most of the sports reporters have never ever played sports. They just report on them. So what they say should not really mean anything. Also not all of the people believe what NE did was wrong. I am one of them.
I have heard most of the former Redskin players say that NE did nothing wrong. You have your opinion but as I've said before, the defense is suppose to stop the offense.
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 10-29-2007, 04:30 PM I have a question for you, how appalled where you 2 seasons ago when we had the cowboys dead and buried in the 4th quarter and they were trying to move the ball for a consolation TD and Williams kept sending multiple blitzes at Bledsoe? I remember Bledsoe taking a beating of beatings that last drive did you have a problem with that? Because if I remember correctly most here thought it was great? I didn't have a problem with it at the time but then again I'm not a hypocrite. So is G. Williams a classless individual as well? I would love your expert opinion!
First of all, if you don't understand why I love Gibbs than I really don't have much to say to you.
Second, it's one thing to play defense, it's another to run up the score when you've clearly got the game in hand. I don't think I have ever heard anyone complain about the Patriots playing defense until the bitter end.
Third, perhaps you were not an avid Spurrier fan and, if that is the case, I stand corrected. Perhaps you just piss and moan about everything this organization has ever done.
offiss 10-29-2007, 04:30 PM I heard that belichick doesn't wash his hands after he goes to the bathroom and that he farts in public.
(there, that should end this thread)
LOL! here, here!
Dlyne8r 10-29-2007, 04:32 PM Take a look at a great piece by John Clayton on ESPN.com:
"Running it up: Belichick, Pats take no prisoners"
Among other things Clayton writes: "...On Sunday, Belichick kicked a Hall of Fame coach while he was down, running up the score on Joe Gibbs' Redskins in a 52-7 win..."
ESPN - Clayton: Running it up: Belichick, Pats take no prisoners - NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3084539)
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