Sunra To Gibbs: Turn Jason Campbell Loose!

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davy
10-24-2007, 10:45 PM
You're right. We should kill as much time as possible on the ground. We should run wide but never out of bounds, which stops the clock. I suggest we go into the single wing so snaps can go directly back to the tailback, and then after the play we can drag back to the huddle as slowly as possible. Someone responsible should wear a watch so we will be able to avoid snapping the ball untill the last second. Instead of faking injuries to stop the clock, we should fake health when injured. No penalties, passes, or field goal attempts. They stop the clock. Most of all, don't pass.

It's better to lose by three or four touchdowns than get blown out.

Words fail me. :confused:

Daseal
10-24-2007, 11:44 PM
JoeRedskin -- I must say I disagree. I want a shootout. That would assume we can actually score points, unfortunately this isn't the case once the 2nd half hits. If we want to beat NE, we have to score. We have a defense that will be able to hold NE a bit, but we can't rely on them to win the game. We need to score points. I feel we'll have an easier time passing with a quick passing game rather than pounding our heads into a wall with a beatup line and running it.

I'm not saying abandon the run, we need to run some -- but we need to make the conversion to what most teams in the NFL do now. Throw to setup the run. I want to see quick drops and passes by Campbell. Don't give their pass rush time to get there. 3 steps, ball out. Hit that, run the ball, high percentage passes. If we hit on our haunches and run a ton -- we'll get so far behind coming back is futile.

GhettoDogAllStars
10-25-2007, 12:14 AM
Two things I don't understand:

1. If our O-Line is in such disarray that we can't run-block, how is that a good argument for passing?

2. Pass to set up the run? I never understood this. IMO, the main reason for running to set up the pass is: if your runs are not successful (i.e.: 1-2 yards/att), that still works to get the defense in the box. If you are not successful passing (i.e.: a bunch of incompletions), that doesn't help set up the run very well. You have to be successful passing to set up the run. You don't necessarily need to be successful running to set up the pass. IMO.

SUNRA
10-25-2007, 12:46 PM
Two things I don't understand:

1. If our O-Line is in such disarray that we can't run-block, how is that a good argument for passing?

2. Pass to set up the run? I never understood this. IMO, the main reason for running to set up the pass is: if your runs are not successful (i.e.: 1-2 yards/att), that still works to get the defense in the box. If you are not successful passing (i.e.: a bunch of incompletions), that doesn't help set up the run very well. You have to be successful passing to set up the run. You don't necessarily need to be successful running to set up the pass. IMO.

Several people has posted that pass oriented offense is not the Redskins, and we need to stick to who we are. Read any of the articles in the Post concerning the failures of the offense and it clearly points to the horrid playcalling and conservative style (run and grind it out) of Gibbs which has not worked and will not work if he continues to rely on the defense.
Jason Campbell has to be given the red light to make plays with his arm and feet. Gibbs must accept the reality that if eight are in the box, do not run the ball. Throw the ball short, medium or long range, but just throw the ball to someone with single coverage. That's why the Patriots are undefeated. This is not 1983. And no RB we have is Riggins or Joe Washington. We've got to adjust to what the defense is giving us.

SmootSmack
10-25-2007, 12:59 PM
Several people has posted that pass oriented offense is not the Redskins, and we need to stick to who we are. Read any of the articles in the Post concerning the failures of the offense and it clearly points to the horrid playcalling and conservative style (run and grind it out) of Gibbs which has not worked and will not work if he continues to rely on the defense.
Jason Campbell has to be given the red light to make plays with his arm and feet. Gibbs must accept the reality that if eight are in the box, do not run the ball. Throw the ball short, medium or long range, but just throw the ball to someone with single coverage. That's why the Patriots are undefeated. This is not 1983. And no RB we have is Riggins or Joe Washington. We've got to adjust to what the defense is giving us.

Given the red light to make plays? Why does that not sound right?

GTripp0012
10-25-2007, 01:19 PM
Several people has posted that pass oriented offense is not the Redskins, and we need to stick to who we are. Read any of the articles in the Post concerning the failures of the offense and it clearly points to the horrid playcalling and conservative style (run and grind it out) of Gibbs which has not worked and will not work if he continues to rely on the defense.
Jason Campbell has to be given the red light to make plays with his arm and feet. Gibbs must accept the reality that if eight are in the box, do not run the ball. Throw the ball short, medium or long range, but just throw the ball to someone with single coverage. That's why the Patriots are undefeated. This is not 1983. And no RB we have is Riggins or Joe Washington. We've got to adjust to what the defense is giving us.Who's been playing us 8 in the box?

In fact, when was the last game going back through the Gibbs-era that we saw consistently 8 in the box.

It's never happened.

GTripp0012
10-25-2007, 01:23 PM
Two things I don't understand:

1. If our O-Line is in such disarray that we can't run-block, how is that a good argument for passing?Because the Quarterback can take on the responsibility of the offensive line in the passing game. A good QB (like Campbell) always knows how much time he has to get rid of the football.

Now if people start missing their protections and someone comes free, the QB can't really do anything except get rid of the ball. But even with an untalented offensive line, a passing offense can still be successful if the QB does an outstanding job.

Truth is that a QB is more likely to make a mistake when you get pressure on him, so you want to cut down on the passing game with no line, but it makes more sense than running behind no one. Admittedly, this is very very hard for a young QB to do, and still be successful, but most veterans don't seem to have a problem with it.

70Chip
10-25-2007, 01:42 PM
The Redskins need to run out of passing formations and pass out of running formations.

Also Jason is getting a little Brunellish with holding the ball. We need to play loose and let it fly. No one expects us to win anyway. Go for it on 4th and 5 from midfield. Don't just go for it, throw it in the endzone. It's like the George Costanza thing. Do the opposite.

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skinsWill
10-25-2007, 04:49 PM
I would love to see some draws and screens to Big Mike, he could be our mvp this game, lots of those quick hitters to the left side. We are a running team everyone knows that joe gibbs style, but we cant be this game, we need to be unpredictable i say give big mike 15-20 touches limit portis and betts carries and let Mike beat them up on the inside to keep them honest, and make them tired. This game (if we want to win) we must be able run the ball. We do not want to get into a shootout w/ NE

SUNRA
10-25-2007, 09:09 PM
Who's been playing us 8 in the box?

In fact, when was the last game going back through the Gibbs-era that we saw consistently 8 in the box.

It's never happened.

If the Giants and Packers didn't have 8 in the box, they sure as hell played like they did. Moreover, they definitely beat us by shutting down the run. Either way, we have no running game if Portis is getting most of the reps.

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