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JoeRedskin 10-24-2007, 06:45 PM That number is somewhat deceiving. I think it was Bank's who wrote the article but the average gain per attempt was relatively high (in the 5-6 yard range) during the first quarter or so. Even Miami was averaging over six in the first half. However, once your down by a million, who's still running the ball.
Truthfully, given their leads, I am surprised that they are as low as number nine. I would have expected better as teams pretty much abandon the run and pass to try and catch up.
JoeRedskin 10-24-2007, 06:56 PM Just checked, the Pats have the 3rd fewest runs per game attempted against them. 21.
(Pittsburg w/ 20 and Tennessee(?!) w/17 have fewer).
The average gain is 4.4 which is tied for 24th.
Comparatively the Skins 23 have runs/game attempted against them which is 4th fewest (right behind the Pats).
The average gain is 3.5 and is tied for 4th w/ San Diego and behind Baltimore, Minnesota and Tennessee.
What all this means? not sure.
JoeRedskin 10-24-2007, 07:01 PM On passing D: we have about the 8th most att/game but THE LOWEST yards/att ratio. That's a big stat. People pass against us alot but don't have big success.
And opposing passer have the lowest average passer ratings. (67.7)
Here is where I am getting the numbers:
NFL Stats: by Team Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=0A04ABCDD3A60DDFB5289457D D1DBDF0?offensiveStatisticCategory=null&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&d-447263-n=1&season=2007&qualified=false&Submit=Find&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&d-447263-p=1)
JoeRedskin 10-24-2007, 07:07 PM Checking Game stats, NE is third in time of possesion and +8 on turnovers.
All this just reinforces my belief we need to run it, hold on to it and take some shots. This is a solid team, we aren't going to trick a win out of them.
SUNRA 10-24-2007, 07:42 PM NE's one weakness has been the run game. Look at the stats. While somewhat skewed b/c once they are way out in front they don't need to fret the runs, opponents have run well on them even early in the game. If our damn patchwork OLine lets us run on them and we can keep their passing game from rampaging, we can win this game.
All you guys calling for the pass first are playing into NE's hands and out of our strengths. Get into a shoot out and 1) We are fighting with a derringer to their MAC-10 and 2) You weaken our strength (defense) by keeping it out on the field - you know like in the New York, Green Bay and Arizona game.
Good ball control drives that end in scores and sound defense that doesn't give up the big play - that's how we were built to win and that's how we can win if we execute well.
I am not saying run run run but I am saying that, if we give up on the run, we will lose. If we pound it and mix in the passing, we can win. In fact, if this team plays the kind of game it was built to play and does it well - we WILL win.
My main point was to allow JC to pass throughout four quarters as oppose to relying on the defense for half the game. The conventional Gibbs run first has not worked up to this point with none of our RB's running for 100yds. And what is more deplorable is that none of our WR's have a TD. If you are Belicheck, what do you see as the main target to shut the Redskins down? The run. The most successful game we've had is against the Lions who were 2nd in offense. We attacked in the air on the first drive. We balanced the game out and played a balanced game. Unfortunately, we don't have the line to run the ball, so the pass has to be our main drive.
backrow 10-24-2007, 07:44 PM As someone just noted, the drops are what hurt us that game, not the play calls.
I see it the other way around - pass to set up the run. This o line cannot block well in the run game.
Freddg12 is right on! Pass to set up the run. If two O-Line starters go down on any NFL team, they would give up their helmets for a 4-2 record at this point in the season. That doesn't mean Al Saunders gives up on the run at any time during the game, however.
I do believe if we don't get our running game going hard early that this game will be a domination. Establish the run then release Jason with the play action in the second half if needed. We are a running team. That's the only way we have a chance.
We've got no running game, and the sooner we all accept that, the better off we'll be. We're 24th in the leauge per attempt, which is no fluke. Without Jansen and Thomas to run behind, Betts and Portis become average RB's at best. How often do you see either them beat the opposing LB's on the outside? Sure, Portis could do that with ease 4 years ago, but to say he's lost a step would be putting it nicely. At this point, our best bet is to split running time between Portis and Sellers just enough to keep the passing game from getting too predictable. Gibbs' philosophy is run first, but this line ain't the Hogs, and Portis is no Riggo. We have to pass.
Crazyhorse1 10-24-2007, 09:10 PM he threw 37 times against the Pack and look how that turned out for us...
I do believe if we don't get our running game going hard early that this game will be a domination. Establish the run then release Jason with the play action in the second half if needed. We are a running team. That's the only way we have a chance.
What an eye-opening argument. We passed for 217 yds against the Pack and ran for 94 yd, averaging around 3 yds a carry as opposed to almost twice that per pass. Quite obviously, we're a running team and should stick to that.
Crazyhorse1 10-24-2007, 09:24 PM If that happens, they will have to add another scoreboard to get NE's score to fit.
You're right. We should kill as much time as possible on the ground. We should run wide but never out of bounds, which stops the clock. I suggest we go into the single wing so snaps can go directly back to the tailback, and then after the play we can drag back to the huddle as slowly as possible. Someone responsible should wear a watch so we will be able to avoid snapping the ball untill the last second. Instead of faking injuries to stop the clock, we should fake health when injured. No penalties, passes, or field goal attempts. They stop the clock. Most of all, don't pass.
It's better to lose by three or four touchdowns than get blown out.
skinsfan69 10-24-2007, 10:01 PM The time has come to release the BEAST OF THE EAST. The fans are ready and the city is ready to see a consistent performance by the offense with Jason Campbell at the helm. But not the way we have witnessed in the last third and fourth quarters. Make all of the excuses you want, this man needs to make at least 40 attempts against the Patriots. It seems the more Campbell throws, the less INT's he has. No more conservative playcalling and depending on the defense to bail us out. Rather, stay agressive and in attack mode via 1991. It's time for some action!
If JC throws it 40 times it's going to be a long day for us. We are just not that type of offense yet. We just need to be more aggresssive than last week. But not too aggressive.
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