Are we 4-2 because of Gibbs, or in spite of him?

We're 4-2 because of Joe Gibbs.

We've won 4 games because of Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Dan Snyder, Louis Riddick, Vinny Cerrato, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, Greg Blache, Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Shawns Springs, Andre Carter, Khary Campbell, Rock Cartwright, and so on

We've lost 2 games because of Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Dan Snyder, Louis Riddick, Vinny Cerrato, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, Greg Blache, Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Shawns Springs, Andre Carter, Khary Campbell, Rock Cartwright, and so on

Team effort. You can pin all the wins and losses on just one person.

However, one man signs all their checks so...We are 4-2 because of Dan Snyder ;)

Taylor and Fletcher were GW moves. If memory serves correctly Gibbs wanted Winslow, but GWill talked him into Taylor.

Since as fans we have no clue who is responsible for game plans, half time adjustments, playcalling, etc. I feel I can't answer the question. It's in spite of whoever turns our offense off at half time.

Both.. He's brought a level of order, discipline and professionalism that was lacking before he got here that has permeated the organization.. He also has brought conservatism and a mentality of fearing turnovers and playing not to lose that has resulted in a tough loss vs. the Giants..

Looking at the specifics of game-day stuff, rather than the overall organizational stuff, I think we are 4-2 because of him, but we might be 6-0 if he'd back off a bit on the ball-control with the lead thing, and give Campbell some more room to improvise and throw. But we could be 2-4 for the same reason. It's a tough call--hence the endless discussions.

On redskins radio (skins.com) today, he had a few questions about why he doesn't pass more. He said what he always does: what he likes is balance. And I don't think that's a bad thing the way our (healthy) team is built--with Portis and a strong o-line, we should be able to cram it down the Cardinals or Packers throat, score a last TD on a back-breaking time eating drive, and keep these pass-happy attacks off the field. But we don't have that o-line now, and Portis hasn't really flashed anything on his own (nor has Betts). Given that, we should throw more, but did that work in GB? We threw way more than we ran in the second half there, and lost it.

I think the balance philosophy is actually very good--if we can execute it. One: we have a good D: keeps opponents scores down. Two: you do not want to get into a bombs away shootout with the likes of Brady, etc. Three: a dominate run game forces safeties into the box, allowing for play-action (see, for example, the missed TD pass in Philly: that was classic Gibbs to me, though we missed it). Four: if you get more plays on offense than the other team, you tend to win. Five: it takes the pressure off of JC--not a bad thing until he's got some seasoning (people love to forget this one, especially given Brady. BUt most QBs need some time to grow).

We need to execute, though, to make this work. But I really do think it's the best strategy in the long run for stopping these high-powered offenses. The Key is 3rd down conversions on O, especially 3rd and short--that stat has been telling for us this year.

We've won 4 games because of Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Dan Snyder, Louis Riddick, Vinny Cerrato, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, Greg Blache, Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Shawns Springs, Andre Carter, Khary Campbell, Rock Cartwright, and so on

We've lost 2 games because of Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Dan Snyder, Louis Riddick, Vinny Cerrato, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, Greg Blache, Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Shawns Springs, Andre Carter, Khary Campbell, Rock Cartwright, and so on

Team effort. You can pin all the wins and losses on just one person.

However, one man signs all their checks so...We are 4-2 because of Dan Snyder ;)

Well said.

I think Gibbs (and every other Redskin) should always get credit for every win.

Dan Snyder is always responsible for the losses.

I think this is a good thread. IMO we are 4-2 because of him, but NOT because he's doing a good job on Sundays. I think his premium on character and intelligence in players, along with his disciplined approach has greatly improved the stability of the team/organization. And as far as game preparation goes, he's second-to-none. He has gotten The Danny to almost completely disappear from the day-to-day stuff, which is also good for stability. And as great as Williams has been, does anyone think he or guys like Bugel and Saunders would be here if it weren't for Gibbs? Again, I don't think Coach Joe does a great job during the actual game itself. But as far as building a stable organization, a good locker room, and a great group of coaches, that's directly his doing.

ALL great points and I agree with you 100%!!! Aside from last season, Gibbs has put the Washington Redskins back on the NFL map!

And I'll throw this in about Al Saunders and the belief that Gibbs takes over playcalling or at least has his thumb on Al when we get a lead, there's a reason why Priest Holmes and LJ had so many carries and yards while he was there...Al does like to run the ball!!! It's just they had a stellar O-line in KC that made it effective, and ours has shown glimpses of that as well (when they're not on IR) and with the 2 backs we have, I think that he thinks they can get it done, that the backfield talent is better than the WR/QB talent right now. That being said, I think you'll see 60/40 ratio of pass/run this Sunday....provided the game is somewhat close.

With the offensive line as it is we cannot consistantly run....or pass the ball. The only route to go is ultra conservative and rely on the defense. If they call one pass after another or deeper pass plays to make the fans happy Campbell will spend the afternoon running from D-lineman or on his butt. The injuries to the offensive line are killing this teams offense at the moment. We have a total of one guy starting on the O-line right now who started last season...how many other teams would be 4-2 in such a difficult situation? Gibbs ball control offense relies more on a stout offensive line then most. Balanced O and ball control wins in the playoffs in most cases...this is a time tested formula for success.

Get the O-Line healtier or the back ups up to par and the offense will show some life. Until then do whatever you can to win ball games.

Any time your the leader you get credit for wins and losses.