Why all the complaining?

100% agree. Remember our line is 4/5 new from last year and down 3/5 of the starters from opening day. It is destroying our offense.

Today:

-Cooley was kept in for pass protection far more than normal.
-Sellers and Co. were kept tighter for pass protection.
-We took no shots downfield because they coaches were afraid we couldn't pass block for any extended period of time. Gibbs said as much in his post game presser
-Our run blocking was average and with the lack of any downdfield attack they were able to devote their front 7 to run stopping almost singularly.

So we coulcnd't run because of bad not so great run blocking and the lack of any pass threat and we had no pass threat because we couldn't pass protect.

All in all our line is killing us and nothing will get better until we get healthy there.

Interesting note: Joe Jacoby said he thought Pucillo missed a lot of line adjustments whih to me is to be expected from the backup center who hasn;t played there in awhile.

Very well put, and it all boils down to us being one dimensional on offense, or perhaps "none dimensional."

As long as the o-line is this banged up and patched together opposing teams, especially teams like New England, are just going to hone in on the fact that this offense is inept without an offensive line (just as any team would be.) If you can't trust your line to pass protect for more than a second or two then all of your pass plays are going to be short. Add to that having to keep the backs and Cooley in to block just to manage what little pass protection can be scrounged up and you lose even more weapons.

Basically everyone but the WRs are in blocking all so we can manage a 10 yard pass at best. Add to that WRs who apparently can't catch anymore and you've got about the easiest pass attack in the NFL to defend against. Even our own coaches are admitting what the gameplan is.

Nobody will respect our run game either. Portis appears either unhealthy or in a funk, Betts isn't terribly useful and the run blocking is about as good as the pass blocking.

It's basically a heyday for opposing defenses - just T-off and do whatever the hell they feel like.

I think this defense is good enough to ride to maybe .500 or a little better and possibly a Wild Card spot even with the offense as bad as it is now. But even this defense won't be able to shut down the likes of New England, Dallas, Indy or a few others. Holding those teams to 28 points would be considered an accomplishment, and right now our offense can't put up 29 to win it. At some point the offense has to contribute, and right now they just can't.

Honestly, have our standards as Redskin fans dropped to where we are just happy to get in as a 6th seed? I want to be a Super Bowl contending team.

There's a long way between here and there, dude. Right now, for this team, yes, playoffs are a first start. JC needs playoff experience. Not many young QB's get to traipse on into the Super Bowl like Rockthisburger did; usually it takes a lot of playoff experience to get out of that round.

I think we would all agree we're not strong enough to defeat most of the AFC playoff teams, so I think slipping in as a 6th seed is probably great considering what a mess the injury situation has been. I'd rather it happen like this this year and Jason get some valuable experience than for us to go in as #2 or #3 seeds and get trounced by a playoff-seasoned team like Seattle or Tampa, personally... at least this way we aren't "wasting" a great season.

And I argue that it's foolish to try to go smashmouth with the O-line in shambles. I've said it before, and it bears repeating, you can spread the field with 3 and 4 WR sets to create more running lanes. Today was an obvious lack of willingness to adjust on offense, and it probably should have cost us the game.

This requires a complete adjustment of offensive philosophy. That doesn't happen overnight. And what happens when Wade and Kendall aren't gimpy and Rabach is fine? Our line is tremendously better and we're supposed to simply switch back to our original plan? It doesn't work like that. e're calling the stuff we can run right now.

As far as mailing it in for the season, I do believe the 2000 Ravens' O was quite pathetic, and they relied on their defense just as much as we have. Yet, they did come away with a Super Bowl trophy. While I don't believe we're as good as that team was, we do have a strong defense that will at least give us a chance to win games for us, but we have to fix our offensive line to have any improvement with our offense.

Good point about the Ravens. I don't recall the 2000 season all that well, but were there any offenses then that rival the Pats or Indy? I know the Rams were damned good, but I think you're looking at a potentially record-breaking offense with the Pats, and Indy is always just incredible.

If I got real imaginative I could even see our defense just carrying the team deep into the playoffs like the Ravens, but I just don't see us stopping a Brady or Manning for a championship.

I was noticing something interesting. The Skins are ranked 4th in the NFC in net points with plus 34. Cowboys are +69, Giants +38 and Packers +35.

....At some point the offense has to contribute, and right now they just can't.

Exactly. They are not being held back by bad play calling or lacking execution because of intensity. They simply have a low skill level and are doing what should b expected of them. It can get better if we can get Rabach, Kendall and Wade healthy. A healthy line of Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Fabini and Wade is good to ok from left to right and good enough to open our play book back up.

On top of everything most of starting line didn't even practice this week.

You really have not seen any progress from Jason Campbell this year, it must only be you
Sure there has been some progress, but if you could remember back in training camp when all the buzz was about how JC was going to be vastly improved. I for one don't see it, especially when our defense gives you back the ball and our offense does nothing but 3 and out. But, I will acknowledge the fact that those droped passes have hurt as well. This team is not that good of a team to just give back the ball to the oposition.

This thread is driving me nuts. What does everyone expect our offense to do? Be reasonable here. Take into account our injuries and therefore our avaiable personell. Then apply that to our philosophy and add it all up. JC has been fine. He is the best thing we have on offense but he has little time to throw, few weapons and no run game to counter a pass defense. He is doing ok given those situations.

I like to think that esssentially it can't get worse in terms of situation. If it does then we're done and it won;t matter otherwise health will increase on the line and our offense will open back up. Until then hunker down for a stripped playbook and poor execution,

[quote=dblanch66;367115]Sorry but this is kind of a dumb, uninformed, dare I say, ignorant statement.[/quote I don't know if you were able to watch the game from Cali or not, but we were damn lucky to NOT snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters out on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.


yeah I've been a little disappointed with the offensive showing, but considering the circumstances we looked allright... the cards do have a pretty good d line and they were spying campbell with the lolb, so that limited the effectiveness of rolling him out of the pocket to the right, and pushing him left makes it difficult for him to throw across his body...

I do wish we could run the ball more effectively, though. I really hope injuries don't completely ruin our season, though...