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80.3 is solid, but I wouldn't call it good. If he were a starter at this point in the season, he'd be the 19th-20th rated passer. And I'm not saying that he completely sucks, but being thrown into the mix with a week to build some kind of chemistry with the receivers AND prepare for the Redskins defense should definitely be considered, Advantage: Redskins.


Unless we're still reeling from the Green Bay loss, we should rattle the hell out of this guy.

But it looks like Arizona DID pick up on it, to turn your own arugment against you.

Why is this the Ramsey treatment? Ramsey wasn't the only player to ever get the short end of the stick, in fact I thought he got a relatively decent shot to show improvement here.

It's my hope that with a top 5 passing defense we can shut the Cards down, and should logically be able to.

But this year we've played a 38 year old Trent Green, McNabb, Eli, Kitna, and a 38 year old Favre.

Rattay is certainly better than elderly Green and Kitna, and based on what McNabb has done this year...him too. The only QB we struggled with was Eli, so Rattay's probably not good enough to toss 350 and 6 TD's on us, but its a good signing by Arizona, and it is another challenge for us.

We have shut down good QBs this year, but this arugment that we should have no problem whatsoever this week is a little bit blind faith and very much uninformed. At the end of the day, we are still 4th in total defense, but are you expecting this to be a season in which we set many defensive records. Eli showed that we could be had by a QB who was not elite...so I would ask us not to get too overconfident, even if there is good reason to feel safe.

What exactly did Arizona pick up on?? C'mon they were desperate and he was the best name out there.

I called it the Ramsey treatment because some like to think that he's still this hidden gem that only needs a chance to prove himself, when in reality he's had his chances and has failed to do so and that's why he's a backup.

Hey I agree that Rattay is a decent backup, I just argue that the fact that he's "good" but again it depends on your definition of that word relative to a QB.

Um, no.

Joey Harrington has a career rating of 69.1. His rating this year is 80.3, but thats over 6 games and you can't just use that number as if its classic Joey Harrington. Classic Harrington is 69.1, way worse than 80.3.

I was referring to this season, not career wise.

Just for comparison...

Cards D: 16th RUN, 17th PASS, 15th OVERALL
Cards O: 17th RUN, 13th PASS, 17th OVERALL

Skins D: 6th RUN, 5th PASS, 3rd OVERALL
Skins O: 14th RUN, 18th PASS, 16th OVERALL

Um, no.

Joey Harrington has a career rating of 69.1. His rating this year is 80.3, but thats over 6 games and you can't just use that number as if its classic Joey Harrington. Classic Harrington is 69.1, way worse than 80.3.

GT, so what is the crux of this argument? That Rattay is better than we think or that he's underated?

This is an average Joe with some respectable stats - that's it. Like I said earlier, he's capable of playing like Peyton Manning this Sunday, but it's certainly not anything anyone should be expecting at this point. The guy was at home watching NFL Network two weeks ago, and he get's called near the mid point of the season. And I'll bet the longer he plays this year, the lower that QB rating drops. At this point, he what he is.

I think Jacksonville and Pittsburgh are better than us right now also.

But look at the NFC. The Bears are terrible, Minnesota is incredibly unbalanced, the 49ers have underachieved, the Seahawks have underachieved, we already beat Philadelphia pretty good this year. We just dominated the Packers offense and clearly outplayed them on the other side of the ball. They are widely regarded as the second best team in the conference, and we just went in and made them look awful.

Dallas, who is widely regarded as the best team in the NFC, looked terrible in Buffalo two weeks ago and got embarrassed on their home turf this week by a clearly better team.

The only team in the NFC that can say they are better than us right now has to be the New York Giants, who beat us pretty good at home. Even with them, at the end of the year, do you really think they will be playing better than us? I don't think they will They are right now...but so?

Nobody can defend our passing game right now and nobody can move the ball on us. Yes, we still have to get some kinks in the offense ironed out before we are an elite team, but I have been pleasantly surprised this year. I didn't think going in that our defense would be absolutely shut down and I didn't think our passing game would make some of the league's better pass D's look irrelivant out there.

Despite some tough losses, how can one not be encouraged? I'd rank us 6th in the league right now based on what I've seen.

I would say Dallas and NYG are a little better than everyone else in the NFC. Then there are a bunch of teams that are all bunched together. Wash, Minn, Seattle, Phi, GB, TB, Chi and Car are all real close. Say what you want about Minn but they went into Chi and won on the road w/ a terrible QB. That's a good win no matter how you look at it. Anytime a runner goes for over 200 on a good defense you have to tip your hat.

I am encouraged but we have to stop dropping passes and score more TD's.

What exactly did Arizona pick up on?? C'mon they were desperate and he was the best name out there.

I called it the Ramsey treatment because some like to think that he's still this hidden gem that only needs a chance to prove himself, when in reality he's had his chances and has failed to do so and that's why he's a backup.

Hey I agree that Rattay is a decent backup, I just argue that the fact that he's "good" but again it depends on your definition of that word relative to a QB.I guess it is all perception. Historically, 80.3 is good by pretty much any standard. This year, it really isn't good. Completion percentages are at an all time high accross the league.

But what exactly has Rattay "failed" at? Because he wasn't an elite quarterback as a 4th year player on one of the worst teams in history? You leave it in context and what he has accomplised is actually pretty impressive given his leaguewide value. We could have had him in here this offseason for near league min value, and he's about 3 times the QB Todd Collins is.

Now we have to play against him. I'd like to go into this week already knowing we are going to have the W, but all I can do is hope our D keeps it up. If they don't we could be 3-3 come Monday.

I would say Dallas and NYG are a little better than everyone else in the NFC. Then there are a bunch of teams that are all bunched together. Wash, Minn, Seattle, Phi, GB, TB, Chi and Car are all real close. Say what you want about Minn but they went into Chi and won on the road w/ a terrible QB. That's a good win no matter how you look at it. Anytime a runner goes for over 200 on a good defense you have to tip your hat.

I am encouraged but we have to stop dropping passes and score more TD's.Minnesota is very good at running the ball and excellent at stopping the run, but when the only thing you have to do to beat an opponent is throw the ball and stack up against the run, they aren't going to win many games. Thus the total lack of balance on that team.

There's a lot of good teams in the NFC, but few have made opponents look as helpless to control their own destiny as we have.

I guess it is all perception. Historically, 80.3 is good by pretty much any standard. This year, it really isn't good. Completion percentages are at an all time high accross the league.

But what exactly has Rattay "failed" at? Because he wasn't an elite quarterback as a 4th year player on one of the worst teams in history? You leave it in context and what he has accomplised is actually pretty impressive given his leaguewide value. We could have had him in here this offseason for near league min value, and he's about 3 times the QB Todd Collins is.

Now we have to play against him. I'd like to go into this week already knowing we are going to have the W, but all I can do is hope our D keeps it up. If they don't we could be 3-3 come Monday.

C'mon Tripp. Don't go picking on Todd Collins. To say Rattay is three times better than Collins is simply crazy. If that were the case he would be a starter. I think Rattay is a solid back-up, just like Collins. No more, no less.

But it looks like Arizona DID pick up on it, to turn your own arugment against you.

Why is this the Ramsey treatment? Ramsey wasn't the only player to ever get the short end of the stick, in fact I thought he got a relatively decent shot to show improvement here.

It's my hope that with a top 5 passing defense we can shut the Cards down, and should logically be able to.

But this year we've played a 38 year old Trent Green, McNabb, Eli, Kitna, and a 38 year old Favre.

Rattay is certainly better than elderly Green and Kitna, and based on what McNabb has done this year...him too. The only QB we struggled with was Eli, so Rattay's probably not good enough to toss 350 and 6 TD's on us, but its a good signing by Arizona, and it is another challenge for us.

We have shut down good QBs this year, but this arugment that we should have no problem whatsoever this week is a little bit blind faith and very much uninformed. At the end of the day, we are still 4th in total defense, but are you expecting this to be a season in which we set many defensive records. Eli showed that we could be had by a QB who was not elite...so I would ask us not to get too overconfident, even if there is good reason to feel safe.

Every week is going to be a challenge, but to put Rattay in the same tier of QBs as Kitna, McNabb and Green? Whooooaaaaa Cowboy.

I'm not saying this week will be no problem whatsoever, but our D should get a break considering the compared cometition to this point. We still have to score.