One Decision Overlooked!

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Rajmahal33
10-15-2007, 01:14 PM
In defense of Gibbs on the decision to not challenge, that is really the responsibility of Saunders or someone up in the booth with access to multiple camera angles to make that call. It is really hard to know from the sideline that the spot was bad when it happened on the other sideline. It could have gone on Cooley as well b/c he has to let Gibbs know but i didn't see him running over to the sideline and pleading his case. Also given the lack of definitive markers to respot the ball (since he dove out of bounds), the call probably wouldnt have been overturned (as most spotting reveiws aren't) and almost certainly wouldn't have given us a first down. How is Gibbs supposed to intuitively know that the spot was bad and just throw away one of his reviews. I don't however defend the Timeout on 3rd and 7, that was stupid, but it seemed like JC was the one who wanted it cuz he was unsure of something. Also the play call on 4th and short was awful...RUN WITH MIKE SELLERS and if nothing else never throw an OUT (esp on a muddy field), throw a swing pass with ur FACE to the defender

SC Skins Fan
10-15-2007, 01:20 PM
HORRIBLE spot, I agree. But remember when Green Bay challenged the spot against the Bears last week. They moved the ball but GB still didn't pick up the first down and they were still charged a time out. I can't remember the reason (even though Mike Perrara gave his 'yes man' evaluation on NFLN last week). Would would the same rule have applied had Gibbs decided to challenge because Cooley probably didn't have the first down. The time out clearly made no sense. Not that it mattered the way the Skins couldn't move the ball at the end.

hooskins
10-15-2007, 01:22 PM
Yupp that is the only one I was not a big fan of.

Otherwise I think the coaches did amazing and the players just could not execute.

hooskins
10-15-2007, 01:23 PM
In defense of Gibbs on the decision to not challenge, that is really the responsibility of Saunders or someone up in the booth with access to multiple camera angles to make that call. It is really hard to know from the sideline that the spot was bad when it happened on the other sideline. It could have gone on Cooley as well b/c he has to let Gibbs know but i didn't see him running over to the sideline and pleading his case. Also given the lack of definitive markers to respot the ball (since he dove out of bounds), the call probably wouldnt have been overturned (as most spotting reveiws aren't) and almost certainly wouldn't have given us a first down. How is Gibbs supposed to intuitively know that the spot was bad and just throw away one of his reviews. I don't however defend the Timeout on 3rd and 7, that was stupid, but it seemed like JC was the one who wanted it cuz he was unsure of something. Also the play call on 4th and short was awful...RUN WITH MIKE SELLERS and if nothing else never throw an OUT (esp on a muddy field), throw a swing pass with ur FACE to the defender

Wrong, Sellers was just the first read on the play. McCardell was open and JC just messed up. He got scared and threw a quick pass.

SouperMeister
10-15-2007, 01:37 PM
Wrong, Sellers was just the first read on the play. McCardell was open and JC just messed up. He got scared and threw a quick pass.Can we just ditch that play altogether? Gibbs ran the same swing pass to the flat on 2nd down at the goal line against the Giants. Campbell is not particularly accurate on throws to the flat. It reeks of Martyball - run a 1 yard route on 4th and 2.

The Zimmermans
10-15-2007, 01:40 PM
For real......I'm gonna keep saying it....can anyone really prevent 275 pound mike sellers from gaining a yard and a half?

offiss
10-15-2007, 01:51 PM
i was so F****** angry about the play call on 4 and 2 though

AFTER A WASTED TIMEOUT!!!!!!!! LETS GIVE THE BALL TO BETTS

What doesn't make sense on that play is that they cleared out the backfield, why on 4th and short you don't have a RB in the backfield to make the defense respect the run is stupid, once you clear out the backfield you become 1 dimensional, play action in that situation if you decide to throw it is a big advantage to forcing LB's to commit to the run opening the short routes, the fact that we only needed 2 yards allows the defense to start jumping the short routes which in turn gets you a 1 yard pass on 4th and 2, and it's not the first time they have went with that set the last couple of years in those type of situations.

scowan
10-15-2007, 01:56 PM
HORRIBLE spot, I agree. But remember when Green Bay challenged the spot against the Bears last week. They moved the ball but GB still didn't pick up the first down and they were still charged a time out. I can't remember the reason (even though Mike Perrara gave his 'yes man' evaluation on NFLN last week). Would would the same rule have applied had Gibbs decided to challenge because Cooley probably didn't have the first down. The time out clearly made no sense. Not that it mattered the way the Skins couldn't move the ball at the end.

SC Skins, I understand your logic, but look at it this way, we challenge the spot, it gets overturned, the Skins pick up an extra yard or yard and a half, they STILL get charged a timeout because they don't get the first, but now you have 4th a 1/2 and not 4th and 2. Net result.... you gained 1 yard to 1 1/2 yards during the timeout you were going to take anyway? Ok, I saw this and thought this during the game, not now on Monday afternoon. I don't get paid millions to tell Gibbs to challenge, but someone does!!! Why don't they see these things that we all see?

scowan
10-15-2007, 01:59 PM
For real......I'm gonna keep saying it....can anyone really prevent 275 pound mike sellers from gaining a yard and a half?


Whatever happened to the 1982 Gibbs, Sellers wears the number 45..... scratch thru his number put "-1" on the back make him 45-1 and run right up the middle ala Riggins!!! I like that over a flare pass on a wet field any day.. Football is a simple game when the conditions get bad. Run run run!!!

hooskins
10-15-2007, 02:07 PM
Can we just ditch that play altogether? Gibbs ran the same swing pass to the flat on 2nd down at the goal line against the Giants. Campbell is not particularly accurate on throws to the flat. It reeks of Martyball - run a 1 yard route on 4th and 2.

If you know anything about football you would know a play has multiple reads. Those are options, like in Madden. Remember all those routes?? The ones that are orange are primary reads, and the rest are nonprimary. So it falls on Campbell, because he is suppose to read the coverage and notice Sellers was not open.

I really don't think is any room to criticize the coaching staff on that call, all Campbells fault.

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