What is wrong with Santana Moss? (merged)

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saden1
10-14-2007, 07:22 PM
Santana is hurt, Portis is hurt (dude can't outrun anyone). The O-Line speaks for itself. Basically everyone is hurt.

The Zimmermans
10-14-2007, 07:23 PM
THIS many guys should not get hurt....we have to be doing something wrong for this many grown men to get hurt every week

crawfish
10-14-2007, 08:11 PM
I'm serious, the only way this team ever converts a third down is to be in like third and ten, and have Campbell hit Randle El or Cooley.

We can blame plenty of people. The playcalling hasn't been especially helpful. Campbell can't hit open guys. The line can't open up holes. It's bad.

Your comments make no sense. JC had 5-6 dropped on him. He hit Moss right on the money on the deep sideline pass and Santana dropped it. JC is the least of our worries.

70Chip
10-14-2007, 08:21 PM
Meh. He's having a bad run. He'll come out of it. They need to get him involved in some easy stuff early so his head is in the game.

SouperMeister
10-14-2007, 08:56 PM
3rd and short situations. Just run the ball between the tackles. OR, go playaction and try for the big play.

Don't try to throw quick outs in the rain or run tosses. Seriously, wtf?Given the O-line injuries, I don't mind the strategy to pass on 4th and a long 1, but I do have a significant problem with Campbell's decision to throw the swing pass to a well covered receiver 2 yards short of the first down marker. That's an example where he pretty much made up his mind that he was going with the first read when an easy slant to McCardell would have netted a critical first down. Hopefully Campbell learns from that play and makes a better decision next time.

As for Moss's issues, I don't think that he has adjusted to Campbell's velocity on short throws, but that's no excuse for dropping the deep pass in the 4th quarter.

GusFrerotte
10-14-2007, 09:15 PM
It is not like the stats have lied to us at all. We have the most overpaid WR Corp in the NFL for what we have received in terms of production the past few years. Remember David Patten? If Moss catches that bomb from JC on the Pack 15 game over. I opt not to resign him personally and not because of todays off day for him. I rather have a taller, more physical guy like TO or Randy Moss, Stallworth, etc that an undersized speedster. Santana isn't 100 % yet in his defense, but without the speed what is the upside with an undersized guy?

JWsleep
10-14-2007, 09:26 PM
Moss's strengths are his hands and his speed. The injury can account for the speed (though he seems pretty fast getting behind folks), but the hands is something mental. Hope he works it out, because we need him.

To be fair, JC missed at least two crucial passes today--one the overthrow to Lloyd, the other a missed read throwing to Sellers instead of MacCardell on the short slant. But that's going to happen with a young QB. The vet WRs out there need to help him out until he fully gets the timing and touch of a seasoned NFL QB.

Oh, and that "interception"--Moss bounces it up in the air, and then both the defender and ARE come down with it. What a weak call that it was an INT. And so not JC's fault.

SouperMeister
10-14-2007, 09:36 PM
Moss's strengths are his hands and his speed. The injury can account for the speed (though he seems pretty fast getting behind folks), but the hands is something mental. Hope he works it out, because we need him.

To be fair, JC missed at least two crucial passes today--one the overthrow to Lloyd, the other a missed read throwing to Sellers instead of MacCardell on the short slant. But that's going to happen with a young QB. The vet WRs out there need to help him out until he fully gets the timing and touch of a seasoned NFL QB.

Oh, and that "interception"--Moss bounces it up in the air, and then both the defender and ARE come down with it. What a weak call that it was an INT. And so not JC's fault.Agreed that the INT should've been ruled a completion to ARE for simultaneous posession with the defender.

I'm a little concerned that unless Campbell learns to put more touch on deep balls, he will continue to miss wide open opportunities. Elite QBs do not miss the throw that Lloyd couldn't quite pull in. Campbell also missed Cooley on a fairly deep throw in the first half. Until he starts making those type of plays with more consistency, I don't believe you can characterize Campbell as a great deep passer. Hopefully the coaches are addressing his touch on deeper throws in practice. Of course the deep throw to Moss was pretty damn solid, and that could have turned the game in the Skins favor.

skinsguy
10-14-2007, 09:45 PM
This is what I find slightly irritating:

Person A: "Man, Player X really had a bad game today. I wonder what his problem is?"

Person B: "Hey, let's not cut the guy just because he had a bad game."

To criticize a player for a bad game does not automatically mean that person thinks he should cut.

This is what I find irritating:

Poster A: "Man, I want to keep whining about how our team losing games they should've won. The sky is falling and blah blah blah.

Poster B: "Man, I know we lost today, but there is still much of the season left to play so stop focusing on the whining and start thinking about next week against the Cards.

And really, if you had paid attention, you'd realize I actually said (although maybe in another thread) "what was wrong with Moss today?"

But anyways, my thought on Moss being cut was tongue in cheek, but you continued to pick it part like boogers from your nose. And it really was just an expression. My biggest point was Moss played like crap today, but ya know, there is still 11 games left in the season for us. So, stop whining and focus on what is next for us.

dgack
10-14-2007, 09:52 PM
I opt not to resign him personally and not because of todays off day for him. I rather have a taller, more physical guy like TO or Randy Moss, Stallworth, etc that an undersized speedster. Santana isn't 100 % yet in his defense, but without the speed what is the upside with an undersized guy?

I believe the guy you are speaking of is Brandon Lloyd, to a certain degree. Unfortunately he obviously hasn't played anywhere near those expectations.

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