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Monkeydad 10-12-2007, 02:42 PM I'm not rich but I'd gladly pay more taxes if they want to start using them effectively. (i.e. not on funding ridiculous projects and insane defense contracts)
You're probably in a BIG minority on that one.
How about we start using the already too-high taxes collected on useful things like defense and the environment only instead of research on animal sex and condoms for kids, funding one-sided public radio and TV stations (NPR/PBS) and building bridges to nowhere.
The Bridge to Nowhere: A National Embarrassment (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/wm889.cfm)
We pay MORE than enough in taxes, but it's misappropriated and misused. We don't need more tax hikes, we need new representatives, but so many people vote for incumbents simply because they're incumbents.
Monksdown 10-12-2007, 02:43 PM or dont vote.
firstdown 10-12-2007, 02:45 PM I'm not rich but I'd gladly pay more taxes if they want to start using them effectively. (i.e. not on funding ridiculous projects and insane defense contracts)
The problem in DC is not the amount of money they have but how it is spent and all the wast that goes on. I'm not willing to give them another penny of my money if I do not have to. Thats coming from a person who just 2 days ago was told after all the taxes I paid last year still owes them $6,800 and I'm like you I'm far from rich.
Monkeydad 10-12-2007, 02:47 PM He was VP for 8 years and what changes beside inventing the internet? What would Gore do if he was in office?
Nothing beneficial.
High taxes, suffocating environmental constraints on American corporations forcing them to charge us more or go under (or move to China/India/Mexico) and he'd probably treat terrorism like the President he served under, so back to Americans being murdered worldwide with nothing being done about it.
He's a puppet to some scientists with an agenda. If he wasn't getting rich with his "The Earth is Burning" tour, he wouldn't do it. He obviously doesn't really care about the environment with his lifestyle.
Besides, where was he in the 1970s when we were entering an ice age?
Another Ice Age? - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html)
Oh yeah, he was inventing the internet.
He saw a financial opportunity and took it. He's no hero.
saden1 10-12-2007, 03:53 PM The politicians are a reflection of the people. When you have people like Hilary and Rudy talking about each other in their respective party debates instead of the merits of why they should be elected you have to wonder about the public. People don't vote their conscious anymore, they vote for whose they think is the lesser of two evils.
BleedBurgundy 10-12-2007, 03:53 PM I'm not rich but I'd gladly pay more taxes if they want to start using them effectively. (i.e. not on funding ridiculous projects and insane defense contracts)
I think that's the important part of what I wrote.
Re: Gore's potential policies putting a stranglehold on American corporations
American Corporations are putting a stranglehold on Americans. Special interests and lobbyists are the new policy makers, not the average citizen. If Gore wanted to put much more strict rules on, say, automakers, I'm all for it. Or if he were to force manufacturing firms to cut down on pollutants by appreciable margins. OR say improving health care so that we have a system the most advanced nation in the world deserves. Would such changes be extremely difficult? YES. Would maintaining this status quo on the road to hell be easier in the short term? Possibly. Is everything going to cost more? YES, it will regardless of policy, make no mistake. Are jobs going to be outsourced? YES. Unless there is policy written to counteract that. Say what you want but keeping american jobs in america was supposed to be a bed rock principle of this administration. Tell me that's happened.
saden1 10-12-2007, 03:59 PM High taxes, suffocating environmental constraints on American corporations forcing them to charge us more or go under (or move to China/India/Mexico)...
I take it you would be for a national health care system then? Cause that's one huge factor that's killing American corporations (except for Pharmaceuticals and HMOs of course).
BleedBurgundy 10-12-2007, 04:05 PM Is anyone else sick of hearing about terrorism? I mean, let's be honest. I know we were attacked 6 years ago and it was a horrible event. (I was in the Navy before and during the attack, I chose to serve my country before any Sept 11 upswell in patriotism, so don't question my loyalty here) But that attack was probably the most beneficial thing that could have happened to all of the Neo-Conservative Defense Contractors and the people (i.e. politicians) they employ. How many shady policy decisions have been made under the guise of defending freedom and stopping terrorism? I don't want to hear that word in the next election. We have the strongest, most highly trained, most well equipped military in the world and it's not going to shit no matter who's in power, no matter what FOX News tells you. We've spent 6 years focused on nothing but national defense. Let's take care of some other pressing needs. Examples would be Healthcare, Social Security Reform, Drug Policy, Education Reform, etc...
firstdown 10-12-2007, 04:14 PM I think that's the important part of what I wrote.
Re: Gore's potential policies putting a stranglehold on American corporations
American Corporations are putting a stranglehold on Americans. Special interests and lobbyists are the new policy makers, not the average citizen. If Gore wanted to put much more strict rules on, say, automakers, I'm all for it. Or if he were to force manufacturing firms to cut down on pollutants by appreciable margins. OR say improving health care so that we have a system the most advanced nation in the world deserves. Would such changes be extremely difficult? YES. Would maintaining this status quo on the road to hell be easier in the short term? Possibly. Is everything going to cost more? YES, it will regardless of policy, make no mistake. Are jobs going to be outsourced? YES. Unless there is policy written to counteract that. Say what you want but keeping american jobs in america was supposed to be a bed rock principle of this administration. Tell me that's happened.
I get so tired of this complaint that American Corps are out sorcing jobs like we have no blame. What kind of car do you drive, who made your toaster, lamps, furniture, etc... We as Americans have been out sourcing jobs for a long time so if you home is full of out sourced goods then stop complaining.
firstdown 10-12-2007, 04:16 PM Is anyone else sick of hearing about terrorism? I mean, let's be honest. I know we were attacked 6 years ago and it was a horrible event. (I was in the Navy before and during the attack, I chose to serve my country before any Sept 11 upswell in patriotism, so don't question my loyalty here) But that attack was probably the most beneficial thing that could have happened to all of the Neo-Conservative Defense Contractors and the people (i.e. politicians) they employ. How many shady policy decisions have been made under the guise of defending freedom and stopping terrorism? I don't want to hear that word in the next election. We have the strongest, most highly trained, most well equipped military in the world and it's not going to shit no matter who's in power, no matter what FOX News tells you. We've spent 6 years focused on nothing but national defense. Let's take care of some other pressing needs. Examples would be Healthcare, Social Security Reform, Drug Policy, Education Reform, etc...
Non of those do me any good if I'm DEAD. We had a president that did that and we were attacked 4 to 5 times and the 5 time they really got us good.
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