Suisham & Frost Looking Good

Don't know what the league averages are for FGs, but I feel pretty good about Suish. And he had two TOUCHBACKS--how long has it been since we've had kickoffs for touchbacks? Seriously, I feel like we haven't done that in a long time.

Frost has been great. No complaints.

I say, sign em both long term, while they are as cheap as dirt!

Frost is awesome!!!

But Im a little worried about suisham. He does seem to have a helluva leg, as is evident from his kickoffs, but he seems to lose all his accuracy in his FG's beyond 45 yards. I am fairly happy with him, especially after the crazy shit we've had to go through with kickers in recent history, but I am worried about him winning games for us.

If a game ever comes down to a 45+ field goal in OT or no time left, I don't think he could get it done. And with our tendency to have close games, this could really bite us in the ass! I will be super pissed if we miss out on the playoffs, or lose a playoff game because of this!

But he is only 25, and kickers seem to get better with age, so even if this unlikely scenario comes to pass, Ill still want to see him here the next couple of years, he could end up being great for us!

Frost is awesome!!

Im a little worried about SS though. He does seem to have a helluva leg, as is evident by his kickoffs, but he seems to lose all accuracy in FG's over 45 yards. Im worried about him losing games for us.

If a game ever comes down to a 45+ yd FG at the end of regulation or in OT I dont think he can get it done for us. And with our tendency to have close games this could bite us in the ass. I will be super pissed if we miss out on the playoffs, or lose early in the playoffs because of this!

But he is only 25 and Kickers seem to get better with age, so even if this unlikely scenario comes to pass, I will want to see him here the next couple of years, he could end up being great for us!!!

oops sorry bout the double post....my comp is being weird

Well, as I said yesterday, Frost deserves a lot of credit for that safety because his beautiful punt set the Lions back deep in their own zone.



Agree 100%.

As to the long kicks, I have a question:

With the relatively new rule that after a missed FG, the kick goes to the point of the spot of the kick, I think this changes the calculus of some of these 48+ yard kicks.

If you add 17 yards to the line of scrimmage for each kick (about 7 yds for the spot and 10 yds for the posts), a snap from the 32 gives a 49 yard kick.

If you miss, the other team starts on the 39, which is (a) good position, following (b) a momentum shifter that results from missing a kick after a drive.

So picture this.

You are at the 32.

It's fourth down.

If it is less than three yards, if you go for the first and miss, you give up the ball around the 31, but you tried. They have worse field position than if you try the 3.

If you make it, it's a momentum builder.


Clearly, the other parameters are time remaining, score, etc., but I feel that there is a higher probability of missing the three than making the first at some point (2 yds or less?).

Am I just over thinking this?

J-Dawg

suisham has missed 2 fg's. i can live with that. i agree that the 2 he has missed have been way off. but as long as he makes them when they really count i am happy. but his kick offs are what i like he gets them deep and helps us control the field position game

The last two years Suisham is 16 of 20. I'm pretty satisfied with that.

suisham - i dont trust him to nail a 48+ yarder with the game on the line but he wil have his chance soon enough (maybe even in green bay) but these touchbacks are sweet

frost - real happy to see hes stopped shanking punts into the sidelines . . also us not going 3 n out like last year and picking up a few first downs helps field position and gives him the opportunity to drop the ball inside the 20

go skins