Why Doesn't "Gibbs' Football" Work for the Redskins?

For me to answer the question in the title of this thread, someone will have to define for me what "work" means.

In 2005 we made the playoffs and went 10-6. Did Gibbs football not "work" that year? Is something "working" defined as winning a Superbowl and that's it?

I mean, last year we were 4th in the league in rushing offense. Seems like whatever football it was (Gibbs football or Saunders football) it worked - except for the fact that we didn't have much of a QB. What didn't work was Gregg Williams football.

Did Gibbs football not work against the Dolphins and the Eagles this year? Did it not work for the first half against the Giants? Really, of the 12 quarters of football we've played this year, hasn't Gibbs football worked for most of them?

The other thing I'm going to say is that the Salary Cap Era forces you to adapt your roster and transform your team a little more slowly. With the absolute mess that Spurrier left this team in, for Gibbs to get us to 10-6 and to the playoffs in his second year, is probably one of the greatest coaching accomplishments of his illustrious career. I'll admit, last year he had a down year, mainly attributable to his defense. But the jury's still out on this year folks. I think Gibbs football is "working" as we speak.

Well, the full title should be "Why is there a previaling sentiment among several members on this board and others that 'it's blatantly obvious "Gibbs Football' well never work' 'The game has passed the old man by" and other such comments, when if you look around the NFL you can clearly see that "Gibbs Footbal" continues to work at a high rate, and has even worked when we've stuck to it here"

Again, I want to reiterate and further drive my point home about Joe Gibbs football. Joe Gibbs football is also about Joe Gibbs football players. In my mind, the two are not separate. He needs his guys to play his brand of football. So, no it's not just about x's an o's, and it's not entirely about the salary cap either.

If I gave you a box with Betty Crocker written on the front and gave you all the neccessary ingredients, and tasked you with baking a cake, could you do it? Probably so. But to achieve max results, you need a damn oven don't you?

I think Gibbs has the right formula for winning, he has the right ingredients, but the temparture just 'aint right! And you can't manufacture baking temperature. Either you got it or you don't. And therein lies the mystery.

I believe I just answered Q3.

Well, the full title should be "Why is there a previaling sentiment among several members on this board and others that 'it's blatantly obvious "Gibbs Football' well never work' 'The game has passed the old man by" and other such comments, when if you look around the NFL you can clearly see that "Gibbs Footbal" continues to work at a high rate, and has even worked when we've stuck to it here"

Yeah I get your gyst. And my response was intended to be directed at the dummies who insist Gibbs football doesn't "work."

For me to answer the question in the title of this thread, someone will have to define for me what "work" means.

In 2005 we made the playoffs and went 10-6. Did Gibbs football not "work" that year? Is something "working" defined as winning a Superbowl and that's it?

I mean, last year we were 4th in the league in rushing offense. Seems like whatever football it was (Gibbs football or Saunders football) it worked - except for the fact that we didn't have much of a QB. What didn't work was Gregg Williams football.

Did Gibbs football not work against the Dolphins and the Eagles this year? Did it not work for the first half against the Giants? Really, of the 12 quarters of football we've played this year, hasn't Gibbs football worked for most of them?

The other thing I'm going to say is that the Salary Cap Era forces you to adapt your roster and transform your team a little more slowly. With the absolute mess that Spurrier left this team in, for Gibbs to get us to 10-6 and to the playoffs in his second year, is probably one of the greatest coaching accomplishments of his illustrious career. I'll admit, last year he had a down year, mainly attributable to his defense. But the jury's still out on this year folks. I think Gibbs football is "working" as we speak.

Well said. You said what I was thinking, only in better words.

JG football works, just not the same gameplan every week. IMO, different Teams require different offensive approaches. I still think if we had taken the reins off of JC the outcome would have been quite different. I love JG and don't like to question him on much. he knows more than me or anybody else on the site but I would like to see a more explosive offense. Not just the same old shit, get up by 7 or 10 and then just sit on it. This isn't the team of the 80's and 90's where we had by far the most talent on the feild almost every week. We need to be more creative.

why does all the "I hate Gibbs" threads come out after we lose 1 game?

why does all the "I hate Gibbs" threads come out after we lose 1 game?

Well, physiologically (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knee_jerk_reaction) speaking...

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JG football works, just not the same gameplan every week. IMO, different Teams require different offensive approaches. I still think if we had taken the reins off of JC the outcome would have been quite different. I love JG and don't like to question him on much. he knows more than me or anybody else on the site but I would like to see a more explosive offense. Not just the same old shit, get up by 7 or 10 and then just sit on it. This isn't the team of the 80's and 90's where we had by far the most talent on the feild almost every week. We need to be more creative.

Well here's a question for you then (and everyone else) is it better to play to your own strengths, or against the opponents' weakness?

Case in point for this past weekend, our strengths so far this season have been our running game and our defense. For all of Campbell's potential and the flashes we've seen, the passing offense isn't necessarily a strength at the moment.

On the other hand, the Giants' weakness most would agree is their pass defense.

So what's the right strategy? My feeling is you do what you do best and make the other team stop you at what you do best. It's like jsarno said in a fantasy football thread (to paraphrase) "If you're going to lose, lose with your best."

What sayeth thou?

I feel that Gibbs Football can work if you build the team from "the inside out", meaning an emphasis on drafting / acquiring linemen that will consistently win the battles in the trenches. I feel that Gibbs 2.0 has chosen to build the team from "the outside in", focusing on secondary and linebackers on defense, and skill position players on offense. Just look at the drafts since Gibbs returned - not a single O or D lineman drafted in the first 4 rounds. That has to change starting next draft.

I think the Joe Gibbs system is in place throughout the NFL as SS mentioned, but it's evolved over the past 10+ years whereas it seems that Gibbs has not. His aggressiveness 20 yrs ago is now commonplace play calling, even conservative by current standards. The fear of turnovers has replaced the ferocity he used to attack opponents with.