"Offensive" Analysis

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SouperMeister
09-25-2007, 01:39 PM
Add that to the stat that we've lost 12 games in the past 4 years that we've held an 11 or more point lead and it underscores even more the need for us to put our foot on the opponent's neck when we have the lead and keep trying to score!That is a galling stat. The irony here is that the Saunders coached offenses in KC and St Louis always put the pedal to the metal even after building leads. If Gibbs would get out of the way and allow Saunders to keep defenses off balance, you'd see at least 3-4 blowout victories a season. I fear that with the significant OL injuries, Gibbs banking on a conservative approach to salt games away will cost us 2 or 3 more games this season.

Paintrain
09-25-2007, 02:03 PM
Offensive Breakdown: Redskins vs Giants | postgameheroes.com (http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=970)

In case you care... here's an offensive analysis from postgameheroes.com (http://postgameheroes.com)

I'm pretty sure we've all covered pretty much everything here, which is why I didn't start a new thread.

Wow, 1-2 wide 48% of the snaps, almost double the previous games.. For a team struggling to stop the pass we leave their worst defenders on the sidelines for almost half of the offensive snaps??

redsk1
09-25-2007, 02:06 PM
I think this is why the Giants game is so frustrating. I'm not trying to overreact to a loss, it's become more of a trend. I was kinda p***** when we only beat Miami by 3 at home, and we only beat Phili by 7 (when we really outplayed them by more than that).

It's very concerning b/c we've seen this over the last 4 years. Let's face it, we're going to lose alot of games if we don't score more than 20-24 pts in a game.

It wasn't so much the last 4 plays of the game last week it was the whole conservative approach to football that led us to that point.

I'm a redskins fan, so i love the running game no question. But when were getting stuffed over and over lets change some things up. Lets see what JC has, let's try to score some points and win the game. Let it fly. It seems like the only time we throw is when the defense knows its a pass.

Just frustrating to see it over and over...but I'm moving on. We should be able to put up some pts on Detroit.

JWsleep
09-25-2007, 02:34 PM
Gibbs has a serious fear of turnovers--which is not a bad thing, but it sometimes keeps things conservative. And I don't think it's always the playcalling (lots of passes, with more than a few misses and drops) as much as a mentality that JG and co. put into the QB's head--DO NOT FORCE IT.

It's a fine balance, obviously, but we need our QB to be agressive. That will come with confidence, both JC's and JG's.

Look, JG knows how to score points. See the 88 and 91 teams. Everyoine says he's mister conservative, but that's not what history really shows, IMO. Yes, he had Riggins. But he also had Clark and Sanders. And he comes form the "Air Coryell" tree of coaches--that's not by necessity a conservative tree. And not to mention Saunders and his last few offensive teams.

I think we need 21 to be competive--it's tough to win "up here" with less. And 24 is probably more realistic for the good teams. My feeling is that were a bomb or two away--JC hasn't hit his stride there yet. Even on the completions, the WRs are making adjustments and usually falling down after the catch. When we start hitting the fly routes in stride, we're gonna get some points.

(Would be nice to get a D or specials TD once in a while as well!)

SmootSmack
09-25-2007, 02:44 PM
Gibbs has a serious fear of turnovers--which is not a bad thing, but it sometimes keeps things conservative. And I don't think it's always the playcalling (lots of passes, with more than a few misses and drops) as much as a mentality that JG and co. put into the QB's head--DO NOT FORCE IT.

It's a fine balance, obviously, but we need our QB to be agressive. That will come with confidence, both JC's and JG's.

Look, JG knows how to score points. See the 88 and 91 teams. Everyoine says he's mister conservative, but that's not what history really shows, IMO. Yes, he had Riggins. But he also had Clark and Sanders. And he comes form the "Air Coryell" tree of coaches--that's not by necessity a conservative tree. And not to mention Saunders and his last few offensive teams.

I think we need 21 to be competive--it's tough to win "up here" with less. And 24 is probably more realistic for the good teams. My feeling is that were a bomb or two away--JC hasn't hit his stride there yet. Even on the completions, the WRs are making adjustments and usually falling down after the catch. When we start hitting the fly routes in stride, we're gonna get some points.

(Would be nice to get a D or specials TD once in a while as well!)

Nice post. And good point about the adjustments on the deep balls. Remember ARE had to adjust on that catch against Miami. He catches that in stride it's 6 points. That will come with time I think with Campbell. As someone else pointed out, he doesn't have great touch on the short passes yet either.

JWsleep
09-25-2007, 02:45 PM
BTW, here's a depressing set of facts from JLac: We're the worst team in the NFL since 2004 when leading at half time. 11 losses since 2004. Wow. Guess that makes the point.

Redskins Insider (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

Beemnseven
09-25-2007, 03:13 PM
On SportsTalk 980, they said that since Gibbs has been back (starting in 2004) he's coached 53 total games. In only 17 of those games, has his offense scored more than 21 points.

I know we have relative inexperience at quarterback and injury issues along the O-line. But with Clinton Portis, who most people here consider to be a top five back, one of the top tight ends in the league in Chris Cooley, and Santana Moss, plus the one of the more highly respected offensive coordinators in the league, this should be the year we see marked improvement in scoring.

redsk1
09-25-2007, 03:27 PM
On SportsTalk 980, they said that since Gibbs has been back (starting in 2004) he's coached 53 total games. In only 17 of those games, has his offense scored more than 21 points.

I know we have relative inexperience at quarterback and injury issues along the O-line. But with Clinton Portis, who most people here consider to be a top five back, one of the top tight ends in the league in Chris Cooley, and Santana Moss, plus the one of the more highly respected offensive coordinators in the league, this should be the year we see marked improvement in scoring.

I think its alot to do w/ the QB position. I still believe that had we had an above average qb in 2005 we would have made it further, even though we were close to the Championship game.

It will be interesting to see if JC can step it up, because of the o-line injuries. We may not be able to just run the ball like we normally would. We just might have to establish the pass first. We need to do some serious "coachin em up."

Twilbert07
09-25-2007, 03:38 PM
Great analysis. It is scary that we brought in Saunders and the number of times we score 24 or more is falling.

Bottom line is teams such as Dallas, New England and Green Bay (all undefeated and on our schedule in the next nine weeks) score in the 30's, so even 24 wouldn't be enough to beat them or hang close if the D reverts to 2006 form.

We need to air it out against the Lions and go on an offensive roll.

MTK
09-25-2007, 03:45 PM
I think we will see an improvement in scoring this year but we're only 3 games in. In each game it seems we've been a play or two away from scoring in the 20's. It will happen.

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