RobH4413's Monday Morning Breakdown

Had Campbell-Portis not fumbled (resulting in a Giants TD), Betts not tripped at the goal-line, Springs not gotten flagged for pass interference on 3rd down, etc., we likely would have won the game and people would be saying "what a brilliantly called game it was," "I love how the deep game is back," "wow, the line sure looks good for a team with an entirely new right side." Instead, everyone becomes a Jaws and thinks "If only I were the coach, we would have won."

The play calling was awful. Anyone saying differently is simply being an apologist. You ever see a good team and wonder about their play calling. I am not syaing our execution was good but we didn't go downfield at all until we were losing. It has more to do with the fact that their defense is awful. We completed passes downfield agianst them when they knew it was coming. They knew it for a fact and they still couldn't stop it much.

Holy crap Rob, some actual analysis? Some substance? Something that actually relates to what happened on the field? What the hell? Why aren't you screaming for Al Saunders to be fired, or saying f...Joe Gibbs, or spouting off like a child (see above). What the hell kind of Redskins fan are you anyway? Why aren't you totally bailing on this team and calling for the the whole coaching staff to be summarily executed, or saying Ladell Betts is a "tippy toe faggot" (seriously, check out the aforementioned f...Joe Gibbs thread). Geez, you suck!! (Just kidding, obviously, thanks for the cogent breakdown. You have provided some sanity in the midst of this absurb rush to judgement and emotional craziness. The loss hurt me too, guys, but grow up and have some perspective).

Had Campbell-Portis not fumbled (resulting in a Giants TD), Betts not tripped at the goal-line, Springs not gotten flagged for pass interference on 3rd down, etc., we likely would have won the game and people would be saying "what a brilliantly called game it was," "I love how the deep game is back," "wow, the line sure looks good for a team with an entirely new right side." Instead, everyone becomes a Jaws and thinks "If only I were the coach, we would have won."

No way. When we were still winning and playing the conservative stuff I was livid. I'd be saying "thank god we won because our coaches didn't help us much". I cannot fathom why anyone watching that game got the impression that we didn't call the dogs off. We did and it was obvious. We played to keep it tight like we always do. That is a great stragetgy against a good team. If we run that game plan against the Patriots and we end up losing by a td then I am much happier. The Giants are terrible. They simply are and we let the off the hook.

Holy crap Rob, some actual analysis? Some substance? Something that actually relates to what happened on the field? What the hell? Why aren't you screaming for Al Saunders to be fired, or saying f...Joe Gibbs, or spouting off like a child (see above). What the hell kind of Redskins fan are you anyway? Why aren't you totally bailing on this team and calling for the the whole coaching staff to be summarily executed, or saying Ladell Betts is a "tippy toe faggot" (seriously, check out the aforementioned f...Joe Gibbs thread). Geez, you suck!! (Just kidding, obviously, thanks for the cogent breakdown. You have provided some sanity in the midst of this absurb rush to judgement and emotional craziness. The loss hurt me too, guys, but grow up and have some perspective).
A child? Screw off. I have been atacked several times now and it is getting old. We disgaree but I am not blasting anyone around here and wont.

Fair enough, we weren't winning during the bulk of those plays. I'll take that, but say that at first. Don't rant for 10 minutes about how retarded our coaches are and such.
As far as my rebuttal,

Well I agree we probably should have taken more shots, but that's in hindsight after a loss. Had Campbell forced some of those throws, and thrown a pick, we may have lost by more. In fact, If I was placed in the same situation next week, I'd probably use a similar game plan. I'm not just going to throw the ball deep for the sake of throwing it deep.

At any rate, Campbell seemed to read the deep ball first a lot as he dropped back, which is a sign that the deep ball was probably not there. He was looking for it, and took his shots.

100 times out of 100, with the lead... I'm not going to force a deep ball into double coverage. I'm going to take what the defense gives me.

To make the monumental jump that play calling lost the game, when we made so many lapses in execution to me seems illogical. The Giants "AWFULLLLLLL" defense put a great deal of pressure on pretty weak offensive line. That's called attacking a weakness with a strengths. It usually works when you do that.

Well I agree we probably should have taken more shots, but that's in hindsight after a loss. Had Campbell forced some of those throws, and thrown a pick, we may have lost by more. In fact, If I was placed in the same situation next week, I'd probably use a similar game plans. I'm not just going to throw the ball deep for the sake of throwing it deep.

At any rate, Campbell seemed to read the deep ball first a lot as he dropped back, which is a sign that the deep ball was probably not there. He was looking for it, and took his shots.

100 times out of 100, with the lead... I'm not going to force a deep ball into double coverage. I'm going to take what the defense gives me.

To make the monumental jump that play calling lost the game, when we made so many lapses in execution to me seems illogical. The Giants "AWFULLLLLLL" defense put a great deal of pressure on pretty weak offensive line. That's called attacking a weakness with a strengths. It usually works when you do that.
I simply disagree. DURING the game it was obvious we were doing this.

For everyone who is jumping on the "it was just execution" bandwagon I ask this. Did you in the second half not ever think "Why are being so conservative?" See if you did, which I suspect many did, then I can guarantee you that the Giants did. And if they did then they knew how to attack that and did. If we actually open it up, or attempt to then they can't sit back and bull rush our o-line as much. They can't leave their secondary in man press. I simply know what I saw and I saw a team fold it up and I am scared that our players folded it up execution wise because our coaches showed that they did not trust them to win the game with the ball in their hands. Our coaches tried to outlast them rather than out play them with a superior group of players.

A child? Screw off. I have been atacked several times now and it is getting old. We disgaree but I am not blasting anyone around here and wont.

You're not the only one spouting off, if that makes you feel any better, just check out some of the other threads. The offense sucked in the second half until the very end and even then it was touch and go. I just don't see where you get conservative play calling? What do you want? Four wide, Detroit Lions Mike Martz-style passing attack? That isn't the Redskins game. They are going to pound it and take their shots down the field. They were unable to get any running game established in the second half and that hurt them badly. Everything the Skins do on offense works off the running game, everything. They need to establish that in order to make things go and the Giants/poor execution shut that down. I do not see where you are getting "conservative play calling". Did you not see the shot to Santana down the field? They completed one and Jason just down right missed the other one, which would have been a touchdown if he had put a little more air under it. The Redskins pound the ball, they are a run first team, that is what they do that is who they are. They have taken kill shots to Santana at least four times in the past two games, hit two, missed two on bad throws. Last week they took that deep shot to Santana that would have ended the game and Jason overthrew it and then people (ok stupid Kornheiser) were saying, "why not just run the ball." They have gotten the ball down the field to Randle El. Cooley has not been as involved because he has been forced to stay in and block more due to injuries. If you want guys who throw it all over the field and QBs who throw 46 times a game go watch the Lions play (they'll be in town in two weeks) or go play Madden '08. I think the reason you are being attacked is because you are not offering any analysis whatsoever. You did not respond in kind to Rob's breakdown, you just said "conservative play calling, conservative play calling," I don't see it sorry. I see the Redskins playing their game and an offense that did not execute at all in the second half. Sorry.

I simply disagree. DURING the game it was obvious we were doing this.

For everyone who is jumping on the "it was just execution" bandwagon I ask this. Did you in the second half not ever think "Why are being so conservative?" See if you did, which I suspect many did, then I can guarantee you that the Giants did. And if they did then they knew how to attack that and did. If we actually open it up, or attempt to then they can't sit back and bull rush our o-line as much. They can't leave their secondary in man press. I simply know what I saw and I saw a team fold it up and I am scared that our players folded it up execution wise because our coaches showed that they did not trust them to win the game with the ball in their hands. Our coaches tried to outlast them rather than out play them with a superior group of players.

I think while the stats don't lie, execution and playcalling go hand in hand. Also, it seemed like the Giants had us figured out in the second half. They stacked the left side of the line and caught us behind the line of scrimage a couple of times for loses.

Losing really does breed stupidity. After a loss I think we need to shut the board down for 24 hours to let everyone cool off. Everyone is way too reactionary today.

I simply disagree. DURING the game it was obvious we were doing this.

For everyone who is jumping on the "it was just execution" bandwagon I ask this. Did you in the second half not ever think "Why are being so conservative?" See if you did, which I suspect many did, then I can guarantee you that the Giants did. And if they did then they knew how to attack that and did. If we actually open it up, or attempt to then they can't sit back and bull rush our o-line as much. They can't leave their secondary in man press. I simply know what I saw and I saw a team fold it up and I am scared that our players folded it up execution wise because our coaches showed that they did not trust them to win the game with the ball in their hands. Our coaches tried to outlast them rather than out play them with a superior group of players.

No, I didn't see conservative play calling in case you missed that in my last post. I did not think to myself wow that is some conservative play calling. I saw a team unable to establish a running game, and who had exactly 11 plays prior to the last two drives. When they threw those passes to Santana on the second drive it looked like he and Jason were not at all on the same page, someone screwed up. When they took the shot to Santana deep, Jason simply missed it. The Giants, from what I could tell from watching the TV feed and not the coaches tape, were playing a lot of two deep shell, not man press as you indicate. That coverage does not lend it self to chucking the ball 40 yards down the field. It is actually best attacked by a TE up the seam, but Cooley was busy "trying" (emphasis on trying) to slow down Strahan. You think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong. I guess we agree to disagree here.