f...gibbs

I don't know about that. I love the guy but when I see the same shit over and over again I'm starting to wonder.

If you bring in a guy to run the offense then let him do it his way. Otherwise why bring him in here?

Cowboys fans felt the same way about Parcells' offense - they wanted an attacking, aggressive "go for the throat" offense. Who doesn't want that offense? I don't know of many fans or coaches who say, "I want a boring, conservative offense that scores as few points as possible to win." I'm sure Gibbs would love to score 50 points per game.

But, don't you think there is a real reason why we are not scoring so many points? Both Al Saunders and Gibbs I are known for high-scoring offenses. Right now we're simply not getting it done. Saunders and/or Gibbs have really opened up this offense and are calling FAR more deep-balls than I have seen in quite some time. We were throwing the ball in the second half as though there was some rule against running.

The fact is, we are an offense that is much better than we were through most of last year. We are attacking teams downfield. Portis, a beneficiary of the more open passing game, is averaging 4.7 a pop. We are just a few steps away from doing great things. How many times have you seen good protection and a decent 50 yard pass by JC, only to watch it sail a few yards in front of the receiver? I've seen that happen a bunch of times in just three games (e.g., the "kill shot" in the Eagles game to Moss that sailed on Jason).

Give the offense time (particularly JC) and I am highly confident that things will dramatically improve. I can practically smell the explosiveness and I'm suprised no one else seems to, even if we are misfiring. I just hope things get turned around before the midway point of the season.

Cowboys fans felt the same way about Parcells' offense - they wanted an attacking, aggressive "go for the throat" offense. Who doesn't want that offense? I don't know of many fans or coaches who say, "I want a boring, conservative offense that scores as few points as possible to win." I'm sure Gibbs would love to score 50 points per game.

But, don't you think there is a real reason why we are not scoring so many points? Both Al Saunders and Gibbs I are known for high-scoring offenses. Right now we're simply not getting it done. Saunders and/or Gibbs have really opened up this offense and are calling FAR more deep-balls than I have seen in quite some time. We were throwing the ball in the second half as though there was some rule against running.

The fact is, we are an offense that is much better than we were through most of last year. We are attacking teams downfield. Portis, a beneficiary of the more open passing game, is averaging 4.7 a pop. We are just a few steps away from doing great things. How many times have you seen good protection and a decent 50 yard pass by JC, only to watch it sail a few yards in front of the receiver? I've seen that happen a bunch of times in just three games (e.g., the "kill shot" in the Eagles game to Moss that sailed on Jason).

Give the offense time (particularly JC) and I am highly confident that things will dramatically improve. I can practically smell the explosiveness and I'm suprised no one else seems to, even if we are misfiring. I just hope things get turned around before the midway point of the season.

I think that people are seeing what campbell can do when given the chance....and they feel he wasn't given that chance on 1st and 2nd down when the game was slipping away....but I agree, we are seeing some good things out of this offense...we just had one really really horrendous half

Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.

See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did yesterday. I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.

Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.

Seems that those that complain the most after a loss typically have nothing to say after a win. I swear some people just relish a loss so they can play armchair GM/Coach/QB all week.

It was not a muffed handoff. That fumble was 100% on CP. Portis clinched down on the ball with his hands. You never ever do that on hand offs. You let the QB place the ball in your gut. Football 101. This is the stuff you do over and over again in practice, minicamps, OTA's and so on. Oh yeah, CP didn't participate in any of that stuff. He's too good for that.

A muffed handoff, bad exchange, whatever you want to call it, but it was not 100% Portis. Campbell seemed to be quite a distance away from Portis when he was making the handoff, which obviously shouldn't have been the case.

And I'm not excusing Portis from blame at all. That was a horribly executed play. My point to you is, Portis fumbling has nothing to do with Betts' inability to get into the endzone, in two attempts from the one yard line.

See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did yesterday. I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.

Fair points. I didn't mean to attack everyone who had something negative to say about some aspect of the game. I also tried, in a subsequent post, to clarify that my post was not directed towards those who make their points calmly and with some serious thought/analysis. My post was solely aimed at those who have nothing meaningful to add to these discussions.

Seems that those that complain the most after a loss typically have nothing to say after a win. I swear some people just relish a loss so they can play armchair GM/Coach/QB all week.
I like to play armchair GM/Coach/QB no matter what. (I'm not talking like you directed this towards me, and I don't think you did, but I'm just saying) It's part of being a fan. I love football to death. I mean what else would we do... "We're awesome", and "We suck". Is about all that would come out.

I'm particularly vocal about yesterdays lost because I'm home sick. Like not home-sick, but home... ill. Yeah.

Nasty flu bug hit me, and I haven't been able to sleep, eat much, or ...uhh.. retain fluids very well. I'm debating missing my second day of work, not because I'm still violently ill, but because some people I've been hanging out with have contracted it from me. I guess I'll just go to work and tell them to make the call.

See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did yesterday. I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.

Well, I think (and SGG alluded to this) it's perfectly ok to be upset and be critical. And there's been some good discussion here no doubt, if you filter through the b.s. But rational critiques is all we're asking for.

To blame a fumble on playcalling is not rational, to say F Gibbs is not rational, to claim the Patriots have a killer mentality but then not acknowledge their balanced attack against the chargers or how they didn't throw more deep passes than the Redskins yesterday (just completed more) is not rational, to praise the Cowboys for getting TO involved in the offense with short passes but then rip on the Redskins for doing the same with Moss ("dink and dunk" as people like to call it) is not rational.

To completely disregard our two wins this year (including one on the road against a division opponent) and act like there is no hope left is not at all rational. And quite honestly, I wish those people would just go away. The "I have no faith in this team and I'm going to bitch and moan about it after every loss, but when they win I'll just disappear or I'll jump on the bandwagon" act is tired.

most people on the site have good input...which is saying a lot considering 5-11 last year and this LOSS

Fair points. I didn't mean to attack everyone who had something negative to say about some aspect of the game. I also tried, in a subsequent post, to clarify that my post was not directed towards those who make their points calmly and with some serious thought/analysis. My post was solely aimed at those who have nothing meaningful to add to these discussions.

I understand that and my thought in the post was to try to get you to clarify that and make clear my stance. I figured your post was not a slap at everyone. I had a similar conversation to this with a friend of mine earlier about how ridiculous these "jump off a building" Skins fans are. It was one loss that shouldn't have happened and as long as it's not a harbinger of things to come then it's not a big deal. However, I think some people see this as an indication of that Skins team that beats all the right teams and loses to all the wrong ones. I have to admit that I'm nervous about that, but still optimistic that this team will not be like that one.