McNabb says black QBs criticized more

In Donovan's defense the interview was recorded last month and it's release was very untimely for the Eagles and McNabb @ 0-2. At first I thought they were comments after Monday's loss. They weren't. Taped. Totally outta context. Media. Not a big deal... His point is valid. And wasn't meant to coincide with loss to Redskins.

I wonder how we got that way, do you think it was by accident or design?

I have no clue. But throughout history we've been like this...I personally think it's our personal inadaquacies. The more we feel inadaquate the more we need to feel better about ourselves. No one says "hey, I belong to the homeless gang under the bridge" and be proud of it, but they will say "I belong to the country club" and be proud of it. It our way of making ourselves better than others. This is likely the same response when it comes to competition. We need to be better than the Tom, Dick, or Harry around us. Not everyone has a massive compulsion for this, but we have this inate feeling inside all of us.
So anyway, that's my best guess...I think we are born with it.

The Irish and Italians weren't exactly highly thought of when they first came here. They were considered trash and a notch above blacks. I would imagine it was more advantageous to just be white rather than be an Irishman or Italian.

while i feel Mcnabb is way off base with his comments, the timing is horrible. as soon as he starts to play bad, he says this stuff. and i think its funny that when he brings this up, one Mr Jason Campbell is starting right here in D.C. i can almost guarantee you, if you are a black quarterback that can play, you will get your shot.

LOL...that is a racist comment, and blatently untrue.
I have known SEVERAL GREAT white players...shoot lights out...much better than their black counterparts, but because they were not black, they didn't start...or even make the team in some cases.

My buddy, Ken Jones, lived in Fort Myers. He was the #1 player in the state of Florida back in the early 90's in High School. No college team offered him a scholarship.
Why is it OK to accept racism in certain cases, but not others?

This is off the point, and I apologize for it. But what I mentioned is real, what McNabb mentions is imagined. (at least now it is imagined...I agree that it took a lot to get the black QB in the game...Moon and Williams were trailblazers.)

LOL! I'm not trying to be a racist cause I'm not at all. But I think it's true. I'm sure there were some white guys that didn't get a chance because of their color. Was your friend one of them? I dont' know but I'm sure if he was that good someone would have found him. But if more white guys could jump higher and run faster then there would be more white guys in the NBA. Don't you think?

Look at schools like Indiana when Knight was coaching. They always have a good number of white players. They are always known as smart, fundamentally sound players. But most of them never make it to the NBA because of their athletic skill level.

You NEVER EVER see white corners or RB's in the NFL. Wr's here and there but not many. Why? Are blacks better athelets? I think there is a little truth to it.

I'll never ever forget when Larry Bird was being interviewed with I think Magic Johnson and someone else. He said he use to love it when white guys in the NBA would try and guard him. Cause he knew he would rip the guy apart. Now why did he say this?? BTW... Larry Bird was one of my favorite NBA players of all time.

I'm black and I love to ski. How come you don't see any black skiers or hockey players? Many white people think it's because we are from a warm climate ( Africa ) and can't take the cold. I mean it's stupid but there is probably some truth to it. I hate the cold but I love to ski!

Very interesting...thanks for the description.

I wonder when the term "white" will no longer be socially accepted instead you'll see "italian american", or "Irish American" etc. We seem to be a society that loves to divide and separate.

Well, for people with strong ties to their heritage this is already true. But I think what you will see in ~50 years is a lot more of this with respect to "non-white" people, especially those who are a product of biracial marriages. As I said a long time ago in this thread, you look at someone like Tiger Woods, who is successful and multiracial, and he breaks a lot of stereotypes and classifications. I think the old school, "keep to yourself" attitudes are slowly dying out with the older generations.

There will always be hardcore bigots, but for every one of them there are dozens and dozens of college kids who have friends / companions / romances with people of many different ethnicities, who seek out and enjoy celebrating the differences of other cultures. And, every generation, the median acceptance of this kind of vibe rises a little, like seawater after a rain.

while i feel Mcnabb is way off base with his comments, the timing is horrible. as soon as he starts to play bad, he says this stuff. and i think its funny that when he brings this up, one Mr Jason Campbell is starting right here in D.C. i can almost guarantee you, if you are a black quarterback that can play, you will get your shot.

It was taped from a few weeks ago.

The fact is that the NBA gathers all the best players it can find no matter what race they are or what country they come from. You really think that the NBA scouts would go out of their way to recruit people from Russia or China or whatever the fu*% else small hole in the wall country and at the same time neglect to recruit some of the best players from america because they think "white people can't jump?"

This is shear ignorance!

Just because you have a friend that you expected to make the pros and he wasn't given the respect YOU THINK he deserved does not prove that their is an over-arching bias against white basketball players.


Good points here. The NBA is a profit maximizing business they are not going to spend tons of resources searching all over the world for ballers if there is enough "white" talent at home. It costs more is not practical.

That doesn't mean there is no racism involved in the NBA whether it be black or white, but it's not nearly to the extent as jsarno is claiming it to be. His friend seems to be an point of that case, or hell it could also be another reason we are not sure of. Alot of times good players just don't make it. It just happens. Bad luck or whatever.

Just because you hear about this kinda stuff here and there doesn't mean it is fact. Obviously in this case the sample size isn't even large enough to make an assessment of the entire US population. Therefore we have to fall back to the null assumption, which is that there are small amounts of racism all over the US, but not so much in major sports.(I take alot of Stat classes lol)

Well, for people with strong ties to their heritage this is already true. But I think what you will see in ~50 years is a lot more of this with respect to "non-white" people, especially those who are a product of biracial marriages. As I said a long time ago in this thread, you look at someone like Tiger Woods, who is successful and multiracial, and he breaks a lot of stereotypes and classifications. I think the old school, "keep to yourself" attitudes are slowly dying out with the older generations.

There will always be hardcore bigots, but for every one of them there are dozens and dozens of college kids who have friends / companions / romances with people of many different ethnicities, who seek out and enjoy celebrating the differences of other cultures. And, every generation, the median acceptance of this kind of vibe rises a little, like seawater after a rain.

Just gotta say...GREAT SIG!!!! :D

McNabb's statements have really changed my opinion of him. He has lost a lot of my respect. I thought we were almost over this issue with Cunningham, Williams, Moon, and more recently V Young(not to overlook others). Who cares really? I think McNabb is strecthing or reaching on his statements. Bad and dumb move McNabb.

P.S. Re: Philly is the worst, toughest, most critical, blah blah blah football town to play in, remember Rypien was booooooed off the field the following season after winning the SB.

Hail