McNabb says black QBs criticized more

When did I say that NFL teams are discriminating against white people? I didn't say that, nor did I insinuate that. Curious as to how you even came to that conclusion.

When you say white players are discriminated against that's exactly what you're saying. Not only that but you say that from HS all the way up there is systematic discrimination and that they simply don't get the chance they deserve. I'm not putting words in to your mouth here. It's plain, simple and quite clear.


Well, I'm afraid you couldn't be more wrong. He was ranked #1 in the STATE. Pretty darn convincing if you ask me. Maybe I wasn't specific enough cause you used Lavar as an example, but he was ranked #1 in the state as a basketball player. For as much as people would like to think that racism doesn't exist in basketball, it's by far the most racist sport in the world. Look at the guy here that said that black basketball players are just better than white players...and oddly enough no one cared to say anything about it. It's simply not true. White people don't get the opportunity that black people do to play basketball, and it starts in high school. You can't tell me that there aren't white people out there that can play. How did the 86 celtics win it all with Bird, McHale, Ainge, and Walton (all white)?

Ranked #1 eh? Lets do the simple math and stats...50 states in the country...that's 50 #1 players in the country...there are roughly 300 schools in the country and you're telling me not a single one of them wanted him? Not even a Division III school?

I'm curious as to who you think is keeping the white man down from making it big in bball? Maybe those with authority are flawed in their assessment of how good black, european and south american bball players are? You obviously have beef with the fact that NBA doesn't have enough white players so let's hear why that is and what you propose to alleviate the plight of white bball players.


p.s. It's really hard for me to take you seriously when I consider the fact that the majority of high school, collegiate and professional coaches are white.

lets cut the racist crap out. its bad enough it still exists. theres a lot of things i could say but prefer not to stoop that low. there are good blacks, whites, yellows, greens, etc... as well as there a bad blacks , whites , yellows, greens, etc.. jeesh lets get over it. i dont agree with anyone pulling the racist thing out just to use it as an excuse. leave that shit in the past.

First of all no one said white people cant play basketball, someone said earlier that the reason there arent more white players is that the players that are better then them that made it to the NBA happen to be black.

Same difference. Funny...there are many white people in the HOF, and were around for many years...then they just disappeared???? Do you realize how foolish you sound with this?

Second of all if you admit that no team would sacrifice wins for racial prejudice, under that same line of reasoning it can be deduced that if there were white players with the same ability as their black counterparts in the NBA, that there would be someone taking these undervalued players and creating a dynasty out of them. Because under your line of reasoning white players are discriminated against and undervalued then a team could afford to pick up all of them and create an allstar team made of these players and sustain the team for a long time due to the small contracts they would have to pay them...Sounds foolproof, I say you go and pitch this idea to an owner of an NBA team, you'll be a legend!

No...what you are failing to realize that when you are racist, you BELEIVE what you are thinking. So if you BELEIVE white people are not as good as black people, those white people don't get a chance. Therefore they select a different career.
So are you telling me black people aren't as smart as white people? If this is untrue (and I beleive it to be untrue) then why do colleges have a "quota" for black people? It's because they supposedly weren't given the opportunity to learn like the white people have. Just like the white people don't get the same opportunities as black people do.

The fact is that the NBA gathers all the best players it can find no matter what race they are or what country they come from. You really think that the NBA scouts would go out of their way to recruit people from Russia or China or whatever the fu*% else small hole in the wall country and at the same time neglect to recruit some of the best players from america because they think "white people can't jump?"

YES. Just like baseball does more recruiting in latin america than in small towns in the USA.
But again, if the white people aren't given the opportunity, why bother?

This is shear ignorance!

Yes it is...you have been quite ignorant in thinking basketball is not racist. You chalk it up to "they are better". Well who is to say those white qb's aren't better? Come on man...racism is racism. Just because a person is black does not make him a better athlete.

Just because you have a friend that you expected to make the pros and he wasn't given the respect YOU THINK he deserved does not prove that their is an over-arching bias against white basketball players.

How many times do I have to correct people? I didn't say anything about the pros, I said he was the #1 high school player in Florida and was not offered a scholoarship anywhere. This is not up for debate, this is fact...how do you explain that? What if a black person was ranked #1 in the state...how many colleges do you think would be drooling over him? I m done with this conversation because it is going no where. Unfortunately you can't take racism out of certain people. I feel for you.

Just as in this McNabb situation, I am sure there are some ignorant black folk that will scoff at a white basketball player on the black top, but overall any player worthy of recognition is given it, and given an opportunity no matter what their race is.

Not in basketball...there have been thousands of documented cases.

Back to the point...McNabb is not being scrutinized due to race...end of story.

lets cut the racist crap out. its bad enough it still exists. theres a lot of things i could say but prefer not to stoop that low. there are good blacks, whites, yellows, greens, etc... as well as there a bad blacks , whites , yellows, greens, etc.. jeesh lets get over it. i dont agree with anyone pulling the racist thing out just to use it as an excuse. leave that shit in the past.

I agree...good post.

Sorry, I may have been out of line. I will give up on this topic after this post because obviously Im a bit touchy on this subject. It just bothers me that there is still such blatant ignorance in this country, from both sides of the spectrum. It is a very strong desire of mine to see progress made in bridging the racial divide, but it seems there are so many people intent on keeping it the way it is. McNabb has seen alot of it. He has gotten it from both sides of the spectrum, from both whites and blacks, so I see what he is talking about. But I would have been much more impressed if he hadn't made himself out to be a victim (I already thought he was a victim in prior incidences, I didn't need to hear him complain), and had said that it was something that he regretted to have to encounter because of what it meant about that state of America. Rather he seemed to care more about what it meant for himself and his own career. Maybe there are some biases in sports that need to be resolved, but it seems to me that professional sports is a pretty good gig despite the criticism you are undoubtedly going to receive. Complaining about this crap is just not what is important in racial relations. I think it is more important to address the fact that white and black people seem to still be hell bent on distancing themselves from one another. In Jena, LA a tree was planted by two young men, one white and one black, as a symbol of unity. Many years later a group of white students and a group of black students fought over which group got to sit under the tree, this fight degraded into blatant hateful acts of racism. The tree was taken down. That is so sad to me. Rather then learning to hangout together and share the tree that their ancestors planted as a symbol of unity, they let the dream die. This dream IS dieing. There may be progress in racial equality, and some progress has been made in racial relations, but we still feel a need to segregate ourselves from one another. These are the things we should be concerned about. And frankly comments that engender ideas of divisiveness are a step in the wrong direction. And in some ways I think McNabb (and others) have leaned in that direction. The direction taken in racial relations should be toward bringing us closer together not towards pointing fingers at one another and creating more of a gap. Maybe what Mcnabb said wasn't blatantly wrong or damaging to anything other then his own career and public image, but it definitely wasn't in the vein of what the early civil rights activists were trying to accomplish. Therefore, I have lost a little respect for him (As I used to hold him in high regard). As for this thread, I spent way too much energy and emotion discussing something so trivial, but I guess it is because I hold race relations as of incredible importance, and to see others miss the point so badly makes me feel compelled to interject. I hope I haven't offended anyone, and I am sorry for getting all up in arms (sorry especially to you jsarno, it wasn't my place to judge, though I think you are completely misguided), sometimes passion can make us act like asses.

Donovan McNabb should be applauded for his courage to answer a question honestly posed to him by James Brown. As a fan of the Washington Redskins for over 30 years I applaud Joe Gibbs for recognizing the potential in Jason Campbell,but were it not for James Harris, Warren Moon, Doug Williams and Donovan McNabb, Jason Campbell or Vince Young could not stand up today in an interview and say they haven't experienced the same scrutiny that McNabb spoke of. What pisses me off with this so-called objective media is that they put a microphone in front of Jason Campbell a player who hasn't played an entire season and certainly has not felt the scorn of his fans yet. So it was a divide and conquer tactic to get one black person to refute another black persons experience because in the media's viewpoint, one monolithic view represents all black QB'S view ie..Jesse Jackson. Only Black people in general are given one spokesman to speak for them while other people speak for themselves. Some people will never understand the complexities of racism and white supremacy because it is subconcsciously taught to them in church, school , religion and even sports. Based on some of the comments I have read on this thread, there is enough ignorance to go around.

When you say white players are discriminated against that's exactly what you're saying. Not only that but you say that from HS all the way up there is systematic discrimination and that they simply don't get the chance they deserve. I'm not putting words in to your mouth here. It's plain, simple and quite clear.

Yes you are...I never once said white people are being held down in the NFL. Please pay attention to what I am saying and not making your own conclusions.
They are discriminated in basketball ONLY. Why are you lumping NFL and NBA in the same breathe? (and it's all you...not me...re-read if you have to) I have been very specific in saying that there is no racism in the NFL, black or white. That's what this topic is all about.



Ranked #1 eh? Lets do the simple math and stats...50 states in the country...that's 50 #1 players in the country...there are roughly 300 schools in the country and you're telling me not a single one of them wanted him? Not even a Division III school?

Well, no one came to him. The ones he went to (this is from who I recall, but I know there were more) Florida, Florida State, Miami U, SFU, Georgia U, Arkansas U, Cal, UCLA, NC State, and UMASS. All turned him down. All for players that were inferior (at least by rankings). It was wrong. This happens more than you think, but since it's not PC to talk about white people being discriminated against, no one hears about it. It doesn't make it any more wrong. Ken was 6'7" and had mad ball handling skills. No one could keep up with him. He was a track star too...and still no scholarship.
So, even by what you said, 50 states, so that means he's a top 50 player across the country, and how come no one offered a scholarship? Not a single team!!!!????

I'm curious as to who you think is keeping the white man down from making it big in bball? Maybe those with authority are flawed in their assessment of how good black, european and south american bball players are? You obviously have beef with the fact that NBA doesn't have enough white players so let's hear why that is and what you propose to alleviate the plight of white bball players.

I don't know how to answer that. It's a stigma put on white players so they are not given the chance.
I tell you this, I guarentee if black people wanted to play hockey, and were kept out, they would make a huge fuss until someone made a law / rule that allowed a certain amount in. Why do the white people in this case not get that kind of respect?

p.s. It's really hard for me to take you seriously when I consider the fact that the majority of high school, collegiate and professional coaches are white.

Because the majority are white, you are saying there isn't a stigma against the white player? WOW. So by your thoughts, every black coach should have a black qb. But I guess, since none of them do, then I can make the leap that they think black qb's aren't as good as white qb's? That's absurd.
Come on guys...it's obvious there is a thought out there that white people can't play as good as black people in basketball. This is nothing new.

Donovan McNabb should be applauded for his courage to answer a question honestly posed to him by James Brown. As a fan of the Washington Redskins for over 30 years I applaud Joe Gibbs for recognizing the potential in Jason Campbell,but were it not for James Harris, Warren Moon, Doug Williams and Donovan McNabb, Jason Campbell or Vince Young could not stand up today in an interview and say they haven't experienced the same scrutiny that McNabb spoke of. What pisses me off with this so-called objective media is that they put a microphone in front of Jason Campbell a player who hasn't played an entire season and certainly has not felt the scorn of his fans yet. So it was a divide and conquer tactic to get one black person to refute another black persons experience because in the media's viewpoint, one monolithic view represents all black QB'S view ie..Jesse Jackson. Only Black people in general are given one spokesman to speak for them while other people speak for themselves. Some people will never understand the complexities of racism and white supremacy because it is subconcsciously taught to them in church, school , religion and even sports. Based on some of the comments I have read on this thread, there is enough ignorance to go around.

Come on dude, there is just as much racism in the black community as there is in the white, if not more. And it's taught to black people every day just as you pointed out. Let's not make this another "it's the white person's fault". Don't think I am accurrate? If you are black, ask yourself how many white players jersey's you have, and how many black players jersey's you have. I have 4 white players, and 18 black players. How many times do you see a black person with a white players jersey on their back? Sure it happens, but not very often. Why is it most white people can see a player as a player regardless of color, but a lot of black people have to make the separation of race? Why not just see it as the human race (as corny as that sounds). When I saw Pedro Martinez on the mound, I didn't see a guy from the dominican republic, I saw a member of the Red Sox going after a world series ring. When I see Jason Campbell lead us to victory, I don't see a black QB, I see a redskins QB who is trying to win us a game.

I understand the world is not ready to hear about the fact that racism is more alive in the minds of a lot of black people...and for the record, I know a lot of black people here that are classy and wonderful, and have not seen racism in them...I am speaking in generics, and this topic gets very dicey. My intent is not to offend...and I will likely refrain from further topic on this because this could get very ugly and I don't want that. I enjoy most of the people on this site, and enjoy the views, and I wish to keep it that way.

Yes you are...I never once said white people are being held down in the NFL. Please pay attention to what I am saying and not making your own conclusions.
They are discriminated in basketball ONLY. Why are you lumping NFL and NBA in the same breathe? (and it's all you...not me...re-read if you have to) I have been very specific in saying that there is no racism in the NFL, black or white. That's what this topic is all about.





Well, no one came to him. The ones he went to (this is from who I recall, but I know there were more) Florida, Florida State, Miami U, SFU, Georgia U, Arkansas U, Cal, UCLA, NC State, and UMASS. All turned him down. All for players that were inferior (at least by rankings). It was wrong. This happens more than you think, but since it's not PC to talk about white people being discriminated against, no one hears about it. It doesn't make it any more wrong. Ken was 6'7" and had mad ball handling skills. No one could keep up with him. He was a track star too...and still no scholarship.
So, even by what you said, 50 states, so that means he's a top 50 player across the country, and how come no one offered a scholarship? Not a single team!!!!????



I don't know how to answer that. It's a stigma put on white players so they are not given the chance.
I tell you this, I guarentee if black people wanted to play hockey, and were kept out, they would make a huge fuss until someone made a law / rule that allowed a certain amount in. Why do the white people in this case not get that kind of respect?



Because the majority are white, you are saying there isn't a stigma against the white player? WOW. So by your thoughts, every black coach should have a black qb. But I guess, since none of them do, then I can make the leap that they think black qb's aren't as good as white qb's? That's absurd.
Come on guys...it's obvious there is a thought out there that white people can't play as good as black people in basketball. This is nothing new.

Eh I dunno if thats necessarily true. Granted, Black people do tend to be better in basketball but come on, wasn't the Dream Team getting spanked a few years ago by all these international teams. Made up of people who WEREN'T Black?

I believe if a White guy lives and breathes basketball, he's just as good or better than any Black player. I'm not even White and I think you guys aren't giving White guys enough credit. Granted, there are no White Jordan's but come on. Its not like every White dude out there stinks.

As for Ken, I mean those are the breaks. Sometimes a guy can go to a smaller school and not an NCAA school and still get drafted (Look at Sellers, eh?) Just cause Black guys get in and he doesn't, doesn't mean it's time to pull out the race card. Lots of good people get skipped over for other prospects. That's life.

Come on now, its 2007 I thought we were past all this petty race card shit.

Eh I dunno if thats necessarily true. Granted, Black people do tend to be better in basketball but come on, wasn't the Dream Team getting spanked a few years ago by all these international teams. Made up of people who WEREN'T Black?[quote]

Very good point...A LOT were white, yet none of them were signed on to NBA teams.

[quote]I believe if a White guy lives and breathes basketball, he's just as good or better than any Black player. I'm not even White and I think you guys aren't giving White guys enough credit. Granted, there are no White Jordan's but come on. Its not like every White dude out there stinks.

LOL...I don't think there will ever be another Jordan...that guy was flat out amazing. That being said, I thank you for your honest opinion, and appreciate your view.

As for Ken, I mean those are the breaks. Sometimes a guy can go to a smaller school and not an NCAA school and still get drafted (Look at Sellers, eh?) Just cause Black guys get in and he doesn't, doesn't mean it's time to pull out the race card. Lots of good people get skipped over for other prospects. That's life.

Well, he ended up going to Edison College and only played on the playground from there on out. It was quite a shame. If it happened to him, how many others did it happen to?

Come on now, its 2007 I thought we were past all this petty race card shit.

I absolutely agree...again, thank you for your comments, it was a good post.