McNabb says black QBs criticized more

When the question was put to Jason Campbell about McNabb's remarks, his answer was measured, and he chose his words carefully in crafting a response.

Absolutely. I was very impressed with Campbell's demeanor and the words he chose. He has very good poise on and off the field.

I knew the kid had talent, but he is impressing me double fold seemingly every week. We finally have the QB we've been looking for!

oops, I forgot a white qb that is criticized worse than McNabb...Rex Grossman.

LOL...that is a racist comment, and blatently untrue.
I have known SEVERAL GREAT white players...shoot lights out...much better than their black counterparts, but because they were not black, they didn't start...or even make the team in some cases.

My buddy, Ken Jones, lived in Fort Myers. He was the #1 player in the state of Florida back in the early 90's in High School. No college team offered him a scholarship.
Why is it OK to accept racism in certain cases, but not others?

This is off the point, and I apologize for it. But what I mentioned is real, what McNabb mentions is imagined. (at least now it is imagined...I agree that it took a lot to get the black QB in the game...Moon and Williams were trailblazers.)

So the prejudice against black QBs is a fiction, but the prejudice against white BBllers is real?

I happen to think that both prejudices are real. I don't know how pervasive such thoughts are, especially at the pro level, but I do believe they exist.

LOL...that is a racist comment, and blatently untrue.
I have known SEVERAL GREAT white players...shoot lights out...much better than their black counterparts, but because they were not black, they didn't start...or even make the team in some cases.

My buddy, Ken Jones, lived in Fort Myers. He was the #1 player in the state of Florida back in the early 90's in High School. No college team offered him a scholarship.
Why is it OK to accept racism in certain cases, but not others?

This is off the point, and I apologize for it. But what I mentioned is real, what McNabb mentions is imagined. (at least now it is imagined...I agree that it took a lot to get the black QB in the game...Moon and Williams were trailblazers.)

I hope you're not serious. So you think the NBA and NFL teams are discriminating against white players? Black is the new white? What you're implying is as absurd as McNabb's comments. It's unfortunate that you both believe in the legitimacy of what you believe to be true.

I'm afraid your buddy had deficiencies that perhaps you and the people around him didn't see or were not willing to see. There are so many factor in assessing a player it's not even funny. LaVar is a perfect example.

I'll reiterate what I've said on this top in the past...In sports it's all about winning and no team, no f'ing team, is willing to sacrifice W's for some petty racist shit. Period!

I hope the Eagles never win a SB......no matter who their QB is....black, white, asian, Indian, Thai, whatever......Donovan's rant is useless....just go out and play....if you are afraid of or have to cry about criticism, then get a new job....

Well said. Except for Indians. I mean, come on...

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(That one's for you, Smoot!)

I hope you're not serious. So you think the NBA and NFL teams are discriminating against white players? Black is the new white? What you're implying is as absurd as McNabb's comments. It's unfortunate that you both believe in the legitimacy of what you believe to be true.
When did I say that NFL teams are discriminating against white people? I didn't say that, nor did I insinuate that. Curious as to how you even came to that conclusion.

I'm afraid your buddy had deficiencies that perhaps you and the people around him didn't see or were not willing to see. There are so many factor in assessing a player it's not even funny. LaVar is a perfect example.
Well, I'm afraid you couldn't be more wrong. He was ranked #1 in the STATE. Pretty darn convincing if you ask me. Maybe I wasn't specific enough cause you used Lavar as an example, but he was ranked #1 in the state as a basketball player. For as much as people would like to think that racism doesn't exist in basketball, it's by far the most racist sport in the world. Look at the guy here that said that black basketball players are just better than white players...and oddly enough no one cared to say anything about it. It's simply not true. White people don't get the opportunity that black people do to play basketball, and it starts in high school. You can't tell me that there aren't white people out there that can play. How did the 86 celtics win it all with Bird, McHale, Ainge, and Walton (all white)?


I'll reiterate what I've said on this top in the past...In sports it's all about winning and no team, no f'ing team, is willing to sacrifice W's for some petty racist shit. Period!

I 100% agree with you.

So the prejudice against black QBs is a fiction, but the prejudice against white BBllers is real?

Sort of. I used to be true, but it is no longer. However, the prejudice against a SCRAMBLING qb is still real. It has nothing to do with race, but everyone sees that a true scrambling QB has never won the super bowl. Problem is, every scrambling Qb happens to be black. Teams feel pocket passers = super bowls. I tend to agree. A black pocket passer is hard to find.
ps- Campbell is a pocket passer.

I happen to think that both prejudices are real. I don't know how pervasive such thoughts are, especially at the pro level, but I do believe they exist.

Even Young and Campbell made comments that they are not. It used to be there, but it is no longer there. It's all about who the teams feel will win. If they felt that Warren Moon could come out of retirement to win a super bowl, they'd pay him to do it. It's that simple.

When did I say that NFL teams are discriminating against white people? I didn't say that, nor did I insinuate that. Curious as to how you even came to that conclusion.


Well, I'm afraid you couldn't be more wrong. He was ranked #1 in the STATE. Pretty darn convincing if you ask me. Maybe I wasn't specific enough cause you used Lavar as an example, but he was ranked #1 in the state as a basketball player. For as much as people would like to think that racism doesn't exist in basketball, it's by far the most racist sport in the world. Look at the guy here that said that black basketball players are just better than white players...and oddly enough no one cared to say anything about it. It's simply not true. White people don't get the opportunity that black people do to play basketball, and it starts in high school. You can't tell me that there aren't white people out there that can play. How did the 86 celtics win it all with Bird, McHale, Ainge, and Walton (all white)?


I 100% agree with you.

Wow I dont even know why I am going to bother with this, but I feel compelled so here it gos.

First of all no one said white people cant play basketball, someone said earlier that the reason there arent more white players is that the players that are better then them that made it to the NBA happen to be black.

Second of all if you admit that no team would sacrifice wins for racial prejudice, under that same line of reasoning it can be deduced that if there were white players with the same ability as their black counterparts in the NBA, that there would be someone taking these undervalued players and creating a dynasty out of them. Because under your line of reasoning white players are discriminated against and undervalued then a team could afford to pick up all of them and create an allstar team made of these players and sustain the team for a long time due to the small contracts they would have to pay them...Sounds foolproof, I say you go and pitch this idea to an owner of an NBA team, you'll be a legend!

The fact is that the NBA gathers all the best players it can find no matter what race they are or what country they come from. You really think that the NBA scouts would go out of their way to recruit people from Russia or China or whatever the fu*% else small hole in the wall country and at the same time neglect to recruit some of the best players from america because they think "white people can't jump?"

This is shear ignorance!

Just because you have a friend that you expected to make the pros and he wasn't given the respect YOU THINK he deserved does not prove that their is an over-arching bias against white basketball players.

Just as in this McNabb situation, I am sure there are some ignorant black folk that will scoff at a white basketball player on the black top, but overall any player worthy of recognition is given it, and given an opportunity no matter what their race is.

Sort of. I used to be true, but it is no longer. However, the prejudice against a SCRAMBLING qb is still real. It has nothing to do with race, but everyone sees that a true scrambling QB has never won the super bowl. Problem is, every scrambling Qb happens to be black. Teams feel pocket passers = super bowls. I tend to agree. A black pocket passer is hard to find.
ps- Campbell is a pocket passer.



Even Young and Campbell made comments that they are not. It used to be there, but it is no longer there. It's all about who the teams feel will win. If they felt that Warren Moon could come out of retirement to win a super bowl, they'd pay him to do it. It's that simple.

Wrong again, What about Jake the Snake...and I am sure there are others. Your whole line of argument is based on your own bias. I will agree that scrambling qbs dont seem to be as successful, but to stereotype black qbs as scramblers and scrambling qbs as black is just racist...plain and simple. Furthermore, most qb's that have a tendency to scramble have readjusted their game, especially in the past 4-5 years. Even McNabb was coached to stay in the pocket more, and believe it was a successful adjustment.

Anyhow my point is, this has NOTHING to do with this topic, You are simply displaying your ignorance by automatically bringing up the stereotype when discussing black qb's.

I don't think that many coaches consciously or unconsciously discriminate against white basketball players or black quarterbacks. I think that 99.9% of teams, particularly pro teams, but their best players out on the field or at the very least attempt to do so without regard to race. That said, I find it surprising that people don't think that there are some people, however few and far between, who do indeed harbor stereotypes about race and sports and allow such stereotypes to, intentionally or not, affect who they put on the field.

In any event, please make every attempt to discuss this topic with civility. If you cannot do so, please do not post. This is not in response to any one post, nor is it directed towards any single person; it is directed towards everyone.