Joe Gibbs Doubters

2 games means nothing. If it does mean something to you, where are the Al Saunders doubters????

I have been supporting him since he came here, and at the end of last year there was soo much hatred for him. I want to say the majority of people on this messaging board felt we didnt need him. Joe didnt call the TD to Cooley, it was Al. Joe didnt call the long bombs, that was all Al. Gibbs even said that in his pressers.

I am not going to bring up old threads and call people out, but there were a ton of haters.
I've never doubted Gibbs or anyone in his staff (I'm a believer) people just don't have patience, you don't change a team overnight. If we get close this year and fail do to injuries, I hope Gibbs decides to come back for his final year because I know in my heart he'll get it done. This man is blessed, he's a winner in anything he gets his hands on whether is football, NASCAR or professional racquetball (I bet a lot of you didn't know he competed professionally) look what he did with Tony Stewart and Hamlin when they were feuding a few months ago? He flew to see them, ripped them a new A-hole and Stewart then went on to win the next 3 out 4 races? The man is a master motivator.

Before we even talk playoffs, I want us to beat a team that's either doing well this year or at least had a winning record last year. We're really going to have to up our points scored to hang with the likes of Dallas. Granted their D isn't very good, but I don't consider Phillies D very good either.I know its just one game, but if a pretty solid victory at Philadelphia doesn't sound like much of an accomplishment to you, there will be no pleasing you, ever.

I've never doubted Gibbs or anyone in his staff (I'm a believer) people just don't have patience, you don't change a team overnight. If we get close this year and fail do to injuries, I hope Gibbs decides to come back for his final year because I know in my heart he'll get it done. This man is blessed, he's a winner in anything he gets his hands on whether is football, NASCAR or professional racquetball (I bet a lot of you didn't know he competed professionally) look what he did with Tony Stewart and Hamlin when they were feuding a few months ago? He flew to see them, ripped them a new A-hole and Stewart then went on to win the next 3 out 4 races? The man is a master motivator.

I am not speaking about you directly, there are some people on this board that I clearly remember bashing Al and making him the scapegoat of the offensive woes last year. It is way too early in the season and 2 games really mean nothing in the big picture but if people are going to bash the Gibbs doubters then I will, and I think rightfully so, bash Saunders haters.

The game last night reminded me of another Redskins vs. Eagles game from 15 years ago, and one of my favorite Gibbs' quotes ever.

WashingtonPost.com: The Redskins Book: Page 172 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/book/pages/172.htm)



Whatever the result this year, it's clear that Gibbs is on a mission

The great Richard Justice. I had forgotten that there was a time when the Washington Post actually has something to add to the conversation.

Joe Gibbs brilliance has always been in his ability to get the most out of his people. Is there any doubt that Clintion Portis, for all his eccentricities, would run in front of a bus for Coach Gibbs? You can tell that there is a great amount of mutual respect there. The fact that Gibbs also has a knack for offensive innovation and a tremendous understanding of the fundamentals of football (knocking the other team on it's ass) is a bonus.

Bill Parcells defended Gibbs on ESPN last night, although he picked the Eagles to win. He said that Gibbs inherited a really awful team and that it takes a while to turn that around. Parcells is a tremendous asset to that network. He should be on more.

One final point. The difference between 2007 and 1987 is not with Joe Gibbs. The difference is the NFL. In the pre-salary cap era, teams like the Redskins and 49ers could stockpile players in such a way as to make them far superior to the other teams. In that environment an off year is one in which you are a wild card playoff team and lose in the divisional round of the playoffs. In the modern NFL with it's parity, an off year is 5-11. The differnce between 11-5 and 5-11 is not nearly what it was twenty years ago. Most teams can expect to be on a roller coaster. Look at the Steelers. They are a team that is constantly held up as a model of a team that has mastered the salary cap, etc and yet they took a dive last year. The New Orleans Saints had everyone convinced they were the class of the NFC, right up until there first game this year. They look horrible. This is why it's so aggravating to see experts making pre-season forecasts that basically mirror last year's results. It never happens that way anymore. At least not in the NFC. Certainly the Colts and Patriots argue against these points. I think their consistency is based on having two quarterbacks who are head and shoulders above the rest. That's another distinction between now and the last twenty years. The quarterback is so critical. I think if Brady or Manning were to go down, those teams would be in the same boat with everyone else.

Whatever the result this year, it's clear that Gibbs is on a mission


I believe you are correct.

He has his own "Surge" going, it just took him a while to get the correct troops in place and trained for his mission.

J-Dawg

The game last night reminded me of another Redskins vs. Eagles game from 15 years ago, and one of my favorite Gibbs' quotes ever.

WashingtonPost.com: The Redskins Book: Page 172 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/book/pages/172.htm)



Whatever the result this year, it's clear that Gibbs is on a mission
If I'm correct that playoff game was 8 weeks after the body bag game we played against them and no one thought we had a chance to beat them. It was sweet revenge!

The HC is just like the QB. Too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose.

I've never doubted Gibbs or anyone in his staff (I'm a believer) people just don't have patience, you don't change a team overnight. If we get close this year and fail do to injuries, I hope Gibbs decides to come back for his final year because I know in my heart he'll get it done. This man is blessed, he's a winner in anything he gets his hands on whether is football, NASCAR or professional racquetball (I bet a lot of you didn't know he competed professionally) look what he did with Tony Stewart and Hamlin when they were feuding a few months ago? He flew to see them, ripped them a new A-hole and Stewart then went on to win the next 3 out 4 races? The man is a master motivator.

theres no doubt in me thats for sure..joe gibbs is the man bar none..
he puts the people first .....yeah i recall that daytona incident and he took time out of his vacation to take care of his nascar siblings problems once and for all...he just has that knack to get things going in the right direction with his drivers and football teams..and to say that he,s the first coach in history to win championships in two different sport categories speaks for itself and stands alone amongst the crowd all by himself...and hes a HOF coach to boot,mighty impressive.

gibbs is the redskins.. the sportwriters and the media in general is the ones without any clues...

Whooaaaaa, hold on. We've only played 2 games and although we are improving we're not exactly a championship team right now. There's a lot of football left. A couple years ago, we were 2-0 and went 5-11. Now that was w/ Spurrier but hey anything can happen. There are a lot of areas we need to get better.

The great Richard Justice. I had forgotten that there was a time when the Washington Post actually has something to add to the conversation.

Joe Gibbs brilliance has always been in his ability to get the most out of his people. Is there any doubt that Clintion Portis, for all his eccentricities, would run in front of a bus for Coach Gibbs? You can tell that there is a great amount of mutual respect there. The fact that Gibbs also has a knack for offensive innovation and a tremendous understanding of the fundamentals of football (knocking the other team on it's ass) is a bonus.

Bill Parcells defended Gibbs on ESPN last night, although he picked the Eagles to win. He said that Gibbs inherited a really awful team and that it takes a while to turn that around. Parcells is a tremendous asset to that network. He should be on more.

One final point. The difference between 2007 and 1987 is not with Joe Gibbs. The difference is the NFL. In the pre-salary cap era, teams like the Redskins and 49ers could stockpile players in such a way as to make them far superior to the other teams. In that environment an off year is one in which you are a wild card playoff team and lose in the divisional round of the playoffs. In the modern NFL with it's parity, an off year is 5-11. The differnce between 11-5 and 5-11 is not nearly what it was twenty years ago. Most teams can expect to be on a roller coaster. Look at the Steelers. They are a team that is constantly held up as a model of a team that has mastered the salary cap, etc and yet they took a dive last year. The New Orleans Saints had everyone convinced they were the class of the NFC, right up until there first game this year. They look horrible. This is why it's so aggravating to see experts making pre-season forecasts that basically mirror last year's results. It never happens that way anymore. At least not in the NFC. Certainly the Colts and Patriots argue against these points. I think their consistency is based on having two quarterbacks who are head and shoulders above the rest. That's another distinction between now and the last twenty years. The quarterback is so critical. I think if Brady or Manning were to go down, those teams would be in the same boat with everyone else.

Well said 70Chip. I smell a Pulitzer. This is precisely what I've said and felt since Gibbs 2.0. The NFL is vastly different than what it was when JG left back in the 90's and to expect him to come back and immediately turn things around would have been naive. However, in the "contemporary" NFL, you are given only so much leash to be successful and unfortunately the clock is ticking for even Joe Gibbs.