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Oakland Red 09-02-2007, 11:50 AM Yes, it seems obvious that he was going to distribute it to the other players.
I remember a wonderful vignette from Dexter Manley's autobiography of interest. The NFL official in charge of inspecting players for use of banned substances was going around to each team to give talks. All the Redskins' players were assembled to hear this man give a talk about the drug testing process, but the coaches were not in the room, including Coach Gibbs.
The NFL official actually started telling the players how to beat the drug testing process. When this happened, Coach Gibbs came into the room. He was shocked and angered, and then took the NFL official aside and indignantly said, "Don't tell them how to beat the testing!"
This was widely reported in the newspapers after appearing in Manley's autobiography, and denied to my knowledge by no one.
The event happened during the period when Pete Rozelle was commissioner of the NFL. I'm not saying there is any information indicating he was abreast of what his drug testing official was doing, but I would imagine he did know.
This is what is missing from the discussion about steroids in sports - the fact that the sports leagues in the past have condoned secretly the use of these substances, while hypocritically appearing to oppose them publicly.
Major League Baseball has long known about the use of steroids by its players and implicitly condoned it. Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire are two of a huge number of players in baseball who used steroids, pitchers included. This has taken place with the leagues' knowledge and implicit, hypocritical support, so as to get players to perform at a higher level. Of course, better play from the players gets fans more interested in their business product. But of course it is dishonest. The league says one thing publicly, and then does another behind the public's back.
The real issue in the steroid debate is what the leagues have done.
wilsowilso 09-02-2007, 11:55 AM I don't know why, but for some reason, I always think of Wade Wilson whenever I see your screen name. Weird.
How did you come up with it, anyway?
Lots and lots of beer.
skinsfan69 09-02-2007, 12:51 PM If he thinks it improves his quality of life then who cares?
hooskins 09-02-2007, 01:01 PM I dont think anyone cares if he wants to take it for himself, but I was not aware that HGH helps diabetes. He was taking HGH also for those who dont know what he was taking.
I would be interested to hear from anyone who knows a bit more about HGH and what it exactly does biologically. Because if HGH doesnt help diabetes then this guy is full of shit and is obviously supplying it to Cowboys players.
Redskins 09-02-2007, 02:18 PM Although I don’t’ want to be the spokesman for diabetes, being that I am an insulin-dependent diabetic, I might be able to shed a little light on this.
First, I’m 32 now and I was diagnosed with diabetes when I was about 26. I knew something was wrong because I dropped 20 pounds in about a week…pretty much whizzing it away. Prior to taking insulin, I was a 6’6” 250 athlete who played both D1 football and basketball (both after switching schools). After I started to take insulin, my body began to essentially fail. Workouts were much harder and I simply couldn’t build muscle. Food, no matter how healthy, became fat. My sleep was always interrupted, I sweat at pretty much anything, my eyesight was going quick, and minor injuries seem to never heal. You see, diabetes makes things harder and insulin is only supposed to control my glucose levels to save the organs I do have from further failing. In diabetics, food essentially doesn’t get processed in the same way it does in non-diabetics. As such, it is usually stored as fat, rarely manifests itself in energy, and usually my body (especially my kidneys) have a rough time processing anything.
MY POINT – when a diabetic says, “I took ‘x’ to better my life”, you have to put it in context. In this case, Wade Wilson is a quarterback coach for an NFL team (i.e. the greatest sports league in the world). Perhaps to him, he needed something to increase his energy level to keep up with the rigors of the game. Perhaps he needed to be in better shape to function as a coach. Perhaps he thought it would help him heal quicker from minor injuries. Perhaps whatever “x” was merely leveled him out, gave him more energy, and made him feel normal. I highly doubt he was doing it to bulk up. In the same breath, diabetics know that most medicines and things we ingest hurt us because either it spikes our sugars or it creates more difficulty for our bodies to process something. For example, when I’m in pain, taking an Ibuprofen is actually something I have to seriously consider as I know it will further damage my kidneys. Therefore, usually diabetics just have to "grin and bear it" unless we want to further hurt our future. Having said that, when you are a professional athlete or in that environment, often times people think they have to do something to keep up with those around them. Athletes know the risks of taking things like steroids, but they do it because their immediate happiness outweighs their desire for a healthy future. It’s called fame and ego. Wade Wilson is probably no different, but you also never know how distressed or uncomfortable he is in his own skin because he is diabetic, and at times, I think many diabetics would prefer to eat a handful of broken glass then feel the way we do on a day-to-day basis.
Enough with the lecture. Let’s face facts though, when The Tuna was in town, no one really cared too much about their own physique when their coach looked like a bowl of pudding who smelled like burnt hair….
I’m anti-steroids in any light as it trounces on the achievements of each of our grandfathers who worked full time jobs, used inferior equipment, ate unhealthy diets, had limited exercise, built the professional sports franchises we have now and still maintained records which stand today. For people like Wade Wilson, regardless of the reason for their action, they should be fined or kicked out as appropriate simply to maintain the integrity of the game, the integrity of those who didn't CHEAT, and the image these games need to hold for impressionable youth.
Amen.
70Chip 09-02-2007, 02:48 PM Thanks for the insight.
skinsfan69 09-02-2007, 05:40 PM Although I don’t’ want to be the spokesman for diabetes, being that I am an insulin-dependent diabetic, I might be able to shed a little light on this.
First, I’m 32 now and I was diagnosed with diabetes when I was about 26. I knew something was wrong because I dropped 20 pounds in about a week…pretty much whizzing it away. Prior to taking insulin, I was a 6’6” 250 athlete who played both D1 football and basketball (both after switching schools). After I started to take insulin, my body began to essentially fail. Workouts were much harder and I simply couldn’t build muscle. Food, no matter how healthy, became fat. My sleep was always interrupted, I sweat at pretty much anything, my eyesight was going quick, and minor injuries seem to never heal. You see, diabetes makes things harder and insulin is only supposed to control my glucose levels to save the organs I do have from further failing. In diabetics, food essentially doesn’t get processed in the same way it does in non-diabetics. As such, it is usually stored as fat, rarely manifests itself in energy, and usually my body (especially my kidneys) have a rough time processing anything.
MY POINT – when a diabetic says, “I took ‘x’ to better my life”, you have to put it in context. In this case, Wade Wilson is a quarterback coach for an NFL team (i.e. the greatest sports league in the world). Perhaps to him, he needed something to increase his energy level to keep up with the rigors of the game. Perhaps he needed to be in better shape to function as a coach. Perhaps he thought it would help him heal quicker from minor injuries. Perhaps whatever “x” was merely leveled him out, gave him more energy, and made him feel normal. I highly doubt he was doing it to bulk up. In the same breath, diabetics know that most medicines and things we ingest hurt us because either it spikes our sugars or it creates more difficulty for our bodies to process something. For example, when I’m in pain, taking an Ibuprofen is actually something I have to seriously consider as I know it will further damage my kidneys. Therefore, usually diabetics just have to "grin and bear it" unless we want to further hurt our future. Having said that, when you are a professional athlete or in that environment, often times people think they have to do something to keep up with those around them. Athletes know the risks of taking things like steroids, but they do it because their immediate happiness outweighs their desire for a healthy future. It’s called fame and ego. Wade Wilson is probably no different, but you also never know how distressed or uncomfortable he is in his own skin because he is diabetic, and at times, I think many diabetics would prefer to eat a handful of broken glass then feel the way we do on a day-to-day basis.
Enough with the lecture. Let’s face facts though, when The Tuna was in town, no one really cared too much about their own physique when their coach looked like a bowl of pudding who smelled like burnt hair….
I’m anti-steroids in any light as it trounces on the achievements of each of our grandfathers who worked full time jobs, used inferior equipment, ate unhealthy diets, had limited exercise, built the professional sports franchises we have now and still maintained records which stand today. For people like Wade Wilson, regardless of the reason for their action, they should be fined or kicked out as appropriate simply to maintain the integrity of the game, the integrity of those who didn't CHEAT, and the image these games need to hold for impressionable youth.
Amen.
I have know several people that take HGH and they swear by it. The results I have seen in them are fat loss, lean muscle, better skin and an overall improvment in their quality of life. Some of these guys are on it 7-8 months out of the year. From what I know about Wilson he has had a serious diabetes problem since he was playing QB for the Vikings. So some of the things you are talking about is probably what he was suffering from. I just don't have a problem with it and I doubt he was giving it to the players. Like I said the guys that I know that take it, they just do it for a better quality of life and I'm sure that's what Wilson was doing.
redskinsfanatic 09-02-2007, 05:43 PM wilson can't appeal the ruling either can he?the coaches do'nt have a union do they?
Smooter 09-02-2007, 07:02 PM Yes, it seems obvious that he was going to distribute it to the other players.
I remember a wonderful vignette from Dexter Manley's autobiography of interest. The NFL official in charge of inspecting players for use of banned substances was going around to each team to give talks. All the Redskins' players were assembled to hear this man give a talk about the drug testing process, but the coaches were not in the room, including Coach Gibbs.
The NFL official actually started telling the players how to beat the drug testing process. When this happened, Coach Gibbs came into the room. He was shocked and angered, and then took the NFL official aside and indignantly said, "Don't tell them how to beat the testing!"
This was widely reported in the newspapers after appearing in Manley's autobiography, and denied to my knowledge by no one.
The event happened during the period when Pete Rozelle was commissioner of the NFL. I'm not saying there is any information indicating he was abreast of what his drug testing official was doing, but I would imagine he did know.
This is what is missing from the discussion about steroids in sports - the fact that the sports leagues in the past have condoned secretly the use of these substances, while hypocritically appearing to oppose them publicly.
Major League Baseball has long known about the use of steroids by its players and implicitly condoned it. Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire are two of a huge number of players in baseball who used steroids, pitchers included. This has taken place with the leagues' knowledge and implicit, hypocritical support, so as to get players to perform at a higher level. Of course, better play from the players gets fans more interested in their business product. But of course it is dishonest. The league says one thing publicly, and then does another behind the public's back.
The real issue in the steroid debate is what the leagues have done.
Educating Dexter, i just finished reading that. Good book.
wilsowilso 09-02-2007, 10:17 PM Wow if HGH can really help a diabetic then I certainly stand corrected. I'm just curious because there are so many legal types of steroids that treat a wide range of imbalances and if this is legit medicine for diabetics why wouldn't Wilson have access to HGH through a doctors prescription?
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