Lemar Marshall released for Randall Godfrey??

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MTK
08-21-2007, 02:18 PM
Obviously the coaches are privy to something that we aren't as fans.

And that's basically all we have to keep in mind here. I know the armchair GMs are pulling their hair out right now, but I doubt we'll looking back a year from now saying damn, if Marshall were here it would have been a different season.

GTripp0012
08-21-2007, 02:19 PM
Ironic that he sucked in pass coverage but lead our team in picks in 2005. Now that is irony.Irony, no. Coincidence, yes.

Anyway, 4 INTs is always a good season, but wouldn't Rogers have had like 6 if he just caught the ball?

INTs aren't a good measure of pass coverage, as vital to success as they are.

12thMan
08-21-2007, 02:19 PM
Yeah, I totally disagree that Marshall sucked in pass coverage last year. He was definitely solid; I don't care what the stats say on that.

The only conclusion I can come to is it was one of a few salary cap moves or it was his shoulder. Could Joe Salavea be next guys?

wilsowilso
08-21-2007, 02:19 PM
Marshall has been downright terrible against the pass the last two seasons. Ranked 95th among LBs in pass yards against last season (9.2), 104th in 2005 (8.1).

Against the run last season, Marshall was pretty bad. He was better in 2005, but still pretty overrated. Lavar was a beast (when he played) here in 2005, and I'm guessing that some of that perception rubbed off on Lemar (Including me, I thought he was much better than he was).

His best season as a pro was that pro bowl caliber 2004 he had on the weakside.

I know he was a converted safety, but he can't cover anyone. Perhaps why he was converted?

Thank you. He was an alright player. He did an admirable job and I wish him luck on finding another NFL job, but this is not any kind of shocking news.

EARTHQUAKE2689
08-21-2007, 02:21 PM
He's always gotten most of my INTs on Madden too. :D


For me it has been Sean Taylor (because I use him) But Marcus Washington gets the most by someone I am not using.

GTripp0012
08-21-2007, 02:21 PM
And that's basically all we have to keep in mind here. I know the armchair GMs are pulling their hair out right now, but I doubt we'll looking back a year from now saying damn, if Marshall were here it would have been a different season.LOL!

C'mon Matty, you know if we only win seven games this year, 70% of the Warpath will be all like "It's all Gibbs' fault, he shouldn't have gotten rid of Marshall!"

Seriously though, Lemar was one of my most favored Redskins, but outside of shock value, this is a pretty meaningless transaction from a team standpoint. The Redskins aren't any worse, nor much better at all for this move.

MTK
08-21-2007, 02:22 PM
Thank you. He was an alright player. He did an admirable job and I wish him luck on finding another NFL job, but this is not any kind of shocking news.

It's shocking only because as fans we tend to overvalue our own players.

In reality Marshall is probably not considered to be starting material for most teams. He's a backup.

EARTHQUAKE2689
08-21-2007, 02:22 PM
Irony, no. Coincidence, yes.

Anyway, 4 INTs is always a good season, but wouldn't Rogers have had like 6 if he just caught the ball?

INTs aren't a good measure of pass coverage, as vital to success as they are.


I thought it was like 9 he would have had.

70Chip
08-21-2007, 02:24 PM
Marshall has been downright terrible against the pass the last two seasons. Ranked 95th among LBs in pass yards against last season (9.2), 104th in 2005 (8.1).

Against the run last season, Marshall was pretty bad. He was better in 2005, but still pretty overrated. Lavar was a beast (when he played) here in 2005, and I'm guessing that some of that perception rubbed off on Lemar (Including me, I thought he was much better than he was).

His best season as a pro was that pro bowl caliber 2004 he had on the weakside.

I know he was a converted safety, but he can't cover anyone. Perhaps why he was converted?

That stat can be a little misleading in that GW had him singled up on WRs a lot. That's asking a bit much of any LB. I remember him having to cover Jerry Porter of the Raiders one on one down the middle. Not a chance. Later that year, the Eagles got the same matchup in the season finale and the Seahawks got it in the playoffs as well. WR matched up down the middle with Lemar. I remember thinking, GW is being catalogued. He's calling the same defense in the same situations too much. The opposing coaches are loving that film.

The way I see it, Marshall played well outside, but the move to mike never really took. I am surprised by his release, though, because he knows the system and could have filled in anywhere. I think the earlier point was important, though too. It probably just came down to him being outplayed by the younger guys in camp, coupled with an opportunity to pick up Godfrey who has a skill set they think can fill a role in some package they are worried about. (However, if they think Randall Godfrey can cover the deep middle by himself, they will be disappointed again)

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
08-21-2007, 02:25 PM
GTripp,

I appreciate that you back up your claims with stats, but I definately believe that stats can and oftentimes do lie. How exactly do your stats determine how good someone is in coverage? Are the statmakers privy to our playcalls so they can decide who is and who is not responsible for X offensive player or X area of the field? Or, do the statmakers simply divine what the playcalling was based on game tape?

Moreover, those stats likely do not account for what the coaches are asking players to do. For example, you will never see Trotter asked to cover WRs downfield. Conversely, Marshall was frequently asked to cover WRs downfield. Just because Marshall gets a pass completed on him 20 yards downfield, whereas Trotter does not, does not mean that Trotter is better than Marshall in coverage. So sorry, but I've got to call B.S.

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