Vick Offered Minimum One Year Prison Sentence as Part of Plea Deal

And then there's this take:

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can someone explain to me why i can go out on the street and sell drugs, and walk away with a citation. but if i fight dogs, i do jail time? something doesnt seem quite right with that picture

The generalities of your comparison make it hard to compare and contrast the two situtations.

Each crime (dogfighting v. selling drugs) has various degrees. What Vick did appears to be at the most eggregious end of the dogfighting crimes. If you were the financier of a drug ring, you would probably walk away from the situation with more than "a citation". On the other hand, if you were fought your dog one time at an illegal dog fighting event, you probably would not do jail time.

Why jail time for one and not the other? Penalties are set out by statutes and within them certain ranges are given. Sentencing guidelines are developed and then followed by the Judges - subject to review by the appellate courts. Any time courts develop guidelines that offend the public or seem improper, the laws can be modified to address them. Based on the sentencing range, prosecutors develop guidelines as to appropriate settlement offers. Courts are not bound by the prosecutors recommendation reached after a plea agreement (Regardless of the offer by the prosecutors, the court could reject it and substitute a longer, or shorter, as long as it is within the courts sentencing guidelines).

Thus, the laws set out the penalties and a certain level of judicial/prosecutorial discretion comes into play depending on the severity of the crime w/in its general category. (first degree murder > second degree murder > manslaughter).

The bottom line is that, if the public doesn't like the categories, then the public can change the penalties.

If the most time Vick could have done for the indictment, as I read it, was 6 years, I am not seeing anything out of line. In fact, given the coordinated and broad deceptions involved and the brutal nature of his actions towards animals in his care, or the care of those operating in partnership with him, I think that a maximun of six years is low.

If you believe penalties for "selling drugs" should be stiffer and require a minimum jail time in all cases, feel free to lobby for such a change. Many will agree with you.

Many will also agree with me that the abusive nature of dogfighting warrants MUCH stiffer penalties than the minimal jail time involved for extremely abusive behavior (Dogfighting is a bloodsport that requires its participants to attack and maim or kill their opponent and is done for the pleasure or profit of those who care for the participants. To me requiring living beings in your care to subject themselves to injury and/or death for your personal fun and profit is abusive).

Thus, while you may not see dogfighting as inately abusive, I would suggest that a majority of Americans would consider it worse then small time drug dealing.

Eh It depends on how big the dog fighting operation was. Mike Vick was hosting a HUGE dog fighting operation in his back yard. He should have 6 years MINIMUM. That's beyond cruelty to animals there.

Honestly a year is way to much. He has never been convicted of anything before. How is fighting some dogs (personal property) worth getting a YEAR is prison? Poor guy. No way he should accept.

How did I miss the 110 posts you had before this? One would think the lunacy would stand out.

I said it before. Pretend he wasn't maiming, killing, and abusing dogs. Pretend they were having fingerpainting contests. But understand that those fingerpainting contests were the center of a gambling ring where tens of thousands of dollars were gambled every night illegally with no taxes being declared on those winnings, in the presence of criminals, and that these fingerpainting contests were part of an interstate illegal fingerpainting ring.

I'm still trying to find a fingerpainting metaphor for "rape stand" and for all the illegal narcotics that were stored for the fighting dogs, but you get the picture.

How did I miss the 110 posts you had before this? One would think the lunacy would stand out.

I said it before. Pretend he wasn't maiming, killing, and abusing dogs. Pretend they were having fingerpainting contests. But understand that those fingerpainting contests were the center of a gambling ring where tens of thousands of dollars were gambled every night illegally with no taxes being declared on those winnings, in the presence of criminals, and that these fingerpainting contests were part of an interstate illegal fingerpainting ring.

I'm still trying to find a fingerpainting metaphor for "rape stand" and for all the illegal narcotics that were stored for the fighting dogs, but you get the picture.

I couldn't have had a better response BrudLee...thank you...and my dog thanks you!

How did I miss the 110 posts you had before this? One would think the lunacy would stand out.

I said it before. Pretend he wasn't maiming, killing, and abusing dogs. Pretend they were having fingerpainting contests. But understand that those fingerpainting contests were the center of a gambling ring where tens of thousands of dollars were gambled every night illegally with no taxes being declared on those winnings, in the presence of criminals, and that these fingerpainting contests were part of an interstate illegal fingerpainting ring.

I'm still trying to find a fingerpainting metaphor for "rape stand" and for all the illegal narcotics that were stored for the fighting dogs, but you get the picture.

You shouldnt edit my post if you gonna quote me.

You shouldnt edit my post if you gonna quote me.

I don't see where he edited your post

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Very good article. If Leonard Little ever gets another DUI he needs to get banned for life from the NFL and he needs to go to jail. Period. In all relative fairness I think Vick should get about a year in jail. The real issue is the gambling and Goddell might have the ammo to ban him for life. As much as I don't like Vick that would be a titanic punishment.

I don't see where he edited your post


You're right, I miss read - Sorry brudlee

either way i think he should be banned for life from nfl. after lying to the commish about ever going to the house and that he had no dealings in this, i would consider his playing days in the NFL are over. or atleast hope the commish sees that and ban him. Seems like vick always has some excuse to try and get out of the situation at hand. If hes even thinking about the plea says hes involved in it and has been busted which to me says hes thinking "hey ill get off with only 1 yr and still have a life after and still be rich instead of fighting this and getting 20yrs and have no career or anything after i get out."