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Chief X_Phackter 08-16-2007, 11:04 AM Doesn't sound like he's ratting on anybody, more the opposite if anything, that his boys are on him.
I don't think it's a light sentence for a plea deal. A deal is always a lighter sentence, or there would be no incentive for it. Is it light compared to what he might get if the feds add additional charges related to conspiring in a gambling operation? yes, but that's all the more reason the feds are threatening those charges, so they can make this deal & be done w/it.
I see him playing again. He'll get the right pr help & try to make amends w/the public. One thing he may have going for him is that it sounded from the indictment that he tried to distance himself from the operation 3 years ago when he & TAylor had the falling out. Did he get out of the business then? I guess that remains to be seen.
Probably not a light sentence for a plea deal, but a light sentence for what he was involved with according to the indictment. I hope he doesn't take the deal and goes away for longer, but I'm sure he has good lawyers that will tell him that would be stupid (but then again obviously he is).
It is possible he implicates others, maybe not anyone we'll know, but it could be part of his deal. That is what a deal is, you give us something and plead guilty to these charges, and we'll give you a lesser sentence for cooperating.
I think it would be a big mistake for the NFL to let him play again.
skinsfan69 08-16-2007, 11:15 AM Probably not a light sentence for a plea deal, but a light sentence for what he was involved with according to the indictment. I hope he doesn't take the deal and goes away for longer, but I'm sure he has good lawyers that will tell him that would be stupid (but then again obviously he is).
It is possible he implicates others, maybe not anyone we'll know, but it could be part of his deal. That is what a deal is, you give us something and plead guilty to these charges, and we'll give you a lesser sentence for cooperating.
I think it would be a big mistake for the NFL to let him play again.
Why would it be a mistake for him to play in the NFL again if he pays his debt? We are talking about dog fighting. Not murder of a human being. Jeez!
Leonard Little is still playing in the NFL and what he did was so much worse than what Vick. In case you don't know about Leonard, he killed a women in a drunk driving accident. He smashed into her car after he ran a red light and he was drunk. Still playing in the NFL. Now what is worse?
70Chip 08-16-2007, 11:28 AM Why would it be a mistake for him to play in the NFL again if he pays his debt? We are talking about dog fighting. Not murder of a human being. Jeez!
Leonard Little is still playing in the NFL and what he did was so much worse than what Vick. In case you don't know about Leonard, he killed a women in a drunk driving accident. He smashed into her car after he ran a red light and he was drunk. Still playing in the NFL. Now what is worse?
Don't forget Ray Lewis.
skinsfan69 08-16-2007, 11:40 AM Don't forget Ray Lewis.
Well, Lewis didn't kill anybody. I think all the evidence points towards the two thugs he was with. But he covered it up and played dumb to the police. So in my view that is worse than what Vick did.
Fighting pit bulls and betting on it is wrong and I certainly don't condone it. It's disgusting. But a year or more in jail? C'mon!
irish 08-16-2007, 11:48 AM Honestly a year is way to much. He has never been convicted of anything before. How is fighting some dogs (personal property) worth getting a YEAR is prison? Poor guy. No way he should accept.
Its not the dog fighting, its the interstate gambling that went along with the dogfighting. The gambling is why the feds are involved. The dogfighting is just a disgusting enabler for the gambling.
SmootSmack 08-16-2007, 11:58 AM Why would it be a mistake for him to play in the NFL again if he pays his debt? We are talking about dog fighting. Not murder of a human being. Jeez!
Leonard Little is still playing in the NFL and what he did was so much worse than what Vick. In case you don't know about Leonard, he killed a women in a drunk driving accident. He smashed into her car after he ran a red light and he was drunk. Still playing in the NFL. Now what is worse?
Someone would probably say that what Little did was a one-time unfortunate tragedy that was not deliberate or intentional (although I believe he's been arrested again since then for drunk driving right?) while Vick deliberately ran a dogfighting ring for several years that resulted in the brutal deaths of several living creatures.
GhettoDogAllStars 08-16-2007, 12:04 PM If I ran the league, I would probably institute a policy of restricting felons from participating in the the league. I just don't think it sounds right for felons to be playing in the NFL.
freddyg12 08-16-2007, 12:06 PM Probably not a light sentence for a plea deal, but a light sentence for what he was involved with according to the indictment. I hope he doesn't take the deal and goes away for longer, but I'm sure he has good lawyers that will tell him that would be stupid (but then again obviously he is).
It is possible he implicates others, maybe not anyone we'll know, but it could be part of his deal. That is what a deal is, you give us something and plead guilty to these charges, and we'll give you a lesser sentence for cooperating.
I think it would be a big mistake for the NFL to let him play again.
You're right, once he agrees to start talking he might inadvertently give up a lot of people.
Remember the max. sentence w/the charges right now (not the charges the feds might add) is only 5 years. 1 year out of that 5 seems reasonable. I would also think that if it went to trial & he lost (w/only the current charges) that he could get a few years w/most of it suspended. Not sure if the fed. charges have sentencing guidelines that preclude suspending parts of a sentence.
I don't see why the nfl wouldn't let him back if he's contrite & serves his time, etc. I think he's already on track to do that, as he's apologized to the falcons & fans. the only way I see this ending his career is if the gambling stuff is linked to sports, especially football. Then he'd really be screwed, and the timing of the nba ref doesn't help either.
Chief X_Phackter 08-16-2007, 12:11 PM Well, Lewis didn't kill anybody. I think all the evidence points towards the two thugs he was with. But he covered it up and played dumb to the police. So in my view that is worse than what Vick did.
Fighting pit bulls and betting on it is wrong and I certainly don't condone it. It's disgusting. But a year or more in jail? C'mon!
Just so you know, I didn't establish the laws Vick broke or the potential sentencing for breaking those laws. The fact of the matter is that he faces at least $350,000 in fines and six years in prison if convicted of all the charges. So, more than a year in jail???? YES
The indictment claims that Vick and his codefendants killed no less than 8 dogs that either lost fights or failed fight tests. The method of killing ranged from electrocution, drowning, hanging to slamming a dog’s body to the ground until dead.
I have no sympathy for whatever happens to him and I really hope he gets the max.
BleedBurgundy 08-16-2007, 12:14 PM There is no such thing as Parole from federal prison. He will do every day of his sentence.
really? Never knew that... I can gladly say my experience with Fed Prison is limited to what I read and watch on tv. :) Still, he should take the deal.
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