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SmootSmack 08-15-2007, 01:16 AM I've been, to paraphrase from hooskins for a minute, an adamant antwaan randle el (and andre carter for that matter) advocate since even before we signed him. I think he's full capable of being our #2 WR.
All that said, I technically still consider Chris Cooley our #2 receiver behind Moss
RMSkins 08-15-2007, 01:45 AM I've been, to paraphrase from hooskins for a minute, an adamant antwaan randle el (and andre carter for that matter) advocate since even before we signed him. I think he's full capable of being our #2 WR.
All that said, I technically still consider Chris Cooley our #2 receiver behind Moss
I absolutely agree with you Smoot. ARE is definitely capable of being our #2 WR, I was also a huge supporter of signing ARE in FA, and I was very happy that we got the deal done, hopefully he can prove us right because he has not been off to a good start so far.
I honestly don't think we need a ton of production from a #2, just enough to keep defenses honest. As long as Moss can stay healthy he and Cooley will see the majority of the passes come their way anyway, after all they are our best two receivers. Add in Betts coming out of the backfield on 3rd downs, and I don't see our #2 catching more than 35-40 balls.
70Chip 08-15-2007, 01:41 PM I honestly don't think we need a ton of production from a #2, just enough to keep defenses honest. As long as Moss can stay healthy he and Cooley will see the majority of the passes come their way anyway, after all they are our best two receivers. Add in Betts coming out of the backfield on 3rd downs, and I don't see our #2 catching more than 35-40 balls.
I agree. They need to be 35-40 medium to big plays though. And in certain games, they will need to catch like 8 balls based on the defense focusing on the others. The Giants like to roll coverage to Moss for instance. Wade Phillips probably will too. It's not a hard job, but it's crucial.
Monkeydad 08-15-2007, 02:02 PM I agree. They need to be 35-40 medium to big plays though. And in certain games, they will need to catch like 8 balls based on the defense focusing on the others. The Giants like to roll coverage to Moss for instance. Wade Phillips probably will too. It's not a hard job, but it's crucial.
True, look at 2005...we almost made it to the NFC Championship with ONLY Moss producing as a WR and with Brunell throwing to him!
70Chip 08-15-2007, 02:08 PM True, look at 2005...we almost made it to the NFC Championship with ONLY Moss producing as a WR and with Brunell throwing to him!
I think back to the Cowboys and they had Alvin Harper. He would catch maybe 3 or 4 passes a game but one of them would be a big one. I think that's the role they envisioned for Lloyd. If Harper could do it, you'd think someone on our team could do it. Maybe even James Thrash.
Master4Caster 08-15-2007, 02:42 PM [quote=lifetimeskin;340049]Is it only me, or am I noticing a certain amount of desperation from the FO. First it was Bradford now Pinkston. A couple of questions come to mind...
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1. I don't see the move as desperation -- exactly. Bradford was already being looked at. If you are looking at options, you might give Pinkston a workout. Signing doesn't = staying.
2. They are delusional if they see either as an upgrade. However, I think they are delusional to believe Lloyd or ARE are legit #2 receivers in the first place.
Coach Gibbs positioned Pinkston as an upgrade over Kyle Brown, who was released. So, they are just using the slot to look someone over. I think they could have looked at someone else, like Rod Gardner. I'm serious. Gardner was good for 50+ catches, for 7-800 yards, and 4-6 TDS. Who knew how good that would look today? (Of course, I don't know what shape 50-50 is in these days)
3. See #2.
4. I bet there's an inside story on Pinkston being here now that will come out in time. However, the team is still being formed. I don't think we are at the chemistry phase yet. Chemistry is what you want the core players to have: Portis/Betts with the o-line; Campbell with the receivers, QB with the OC; MLB with the DC.
Monkeydad 08-15-2007, 02:48 PM Gardner was also good for a dropped pass in a crucial situation.
SUNRA 08-15-2007, 07:13 PM The WR corps has to have a big or possession receiver. Micheal Westbrook as good as he was in 1999, and horrible in the post season. His size is what is desired from the coaching staff right now. Pinkston ain't it. Lloyd could probably be that guy but he just hasn't proven himself as a Redskin. Where's Art Monk when you need him?
GTripp0012 08-15-2007, 07:27 PM I truly believe that no receiver in the league is incapable of starting beside Moss and Cooley, but it would have to be a pretty good player to be worth taking ARE off the field for. We're already paying ARE a lot more than you should pay a punt returner, might as well make him earn it.
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