Snyder Showing Improvement b/c of Gibbs?

I think you're grasping at straws in Gibbs behalf. Gibbs has been an embarrassing failure here so far. He has made horrible personnel decisions here and doesn't seem to know what to do now.

Grasping at straws? Maybe... but I can back it up by simply pointing to the years since Gibbs' return and the relative restraint we've seen El Snyder demonstrate. Gibbs has most certainly not been "an embarassing failure." Taking us back to the playoffs, drafting the QB of the future, setting us up with an all star group of assistant coaches from whom to possibly choose his successor... that's not an embarassing failure. If you expected a Superbowl every year because we have a hall of fame coach, well, that's on you. What he's accomplished is taking a team that was in complete disarray (thanks, spurrier...) and transforming it into a team that will be competitive for the foreseeable future. I don't consider myself too much of a homer or overly optimistic. Time will tell.

Good thread and uncommonly good comments on both sides.

Just when you think Daniel Snyder has grown, comes that whole Lance Briggs episode. You know how close we came to Chicago having our #1 and #3 draft choice and Rocky McIntosh, while we would have had Briggs on a $40M contract with $15M guaranteed? That leaves a question mark in my mind, along with the thought that Drew Rosenhaus should never have unsupervised access to the owner.

The true test for Snyder will come when Gibbs leaves. Will he: keep Vinnie Cerrato? or, bring in a legit GM like Ozzie Newsome (Ravens) or Jim Polian (Colts) or Jerry Angelo (Bears) who knows talent and can go brass knuckles with agents? or, fall for the "big name" again and go for Cowher, Belichick, or Parcells.

As a fan, I'm pulling punches on the current Redskins because it's Joe Gibbs. So are you, and maybe Snyder, too. I wouldn't put up with this if it were Cowher.

My guess is he will go big name again.

Is this a joke?? Learned lesson?? Flashback we made Adam Archelleta the hight paid safety ever. How's that for a lesson learned.

little danny hasnt learn a thing

Yeah, this whole thread is a waste of words. Dan Snyder hasn't and won't learn a thing. If he hasn't learned now after all these years something tells me it's not going to sink in any time soon. The Redskins are his real life fantasy team.

it danny has learn anything we would have a GM. Not Vinny. All good teams have a Gm but us. Hmm wonder why the bears,colts,pats,steelers etc contend for superbowls and we contend to hopefully be .500

Is this a joke?? Learned lesson?? Flashback we made Adam Archelleta the hight paid safety ever. How's that for a lesson learned.

How is that such a huge mistake? Nate Clements is the highest paid defensive player in the history of the game. Do you think he's worth it? What about Mario Williams?

My point is, in this market, at least the past few years, someone's bound to get overpaid. Did they overpay Archuletta, no doubt. But why not point to the Sean Taylors on our roster too? Here we have an all-pro safety and yet we're definitely getting a lot of bang for our buck.

I think to be fair, for every Archuletta, you have to point out the guys who have stuck around and they're not breaking the bank. I think Snyder will always be a wheeling, dealing type of owner to be honest; it's his style.

How is that such a huge mistake? Nate Clements is the highest paid defensive player in the history of the game. Do you think he's worth it? What about Mario Williams?

My point is, in this market, at least the past few years, someone's bound to get overpaid. Did they overpay Archuletta, no doubt. But why not point to the Sean Taylors on our roster too? Here we have an all-pro safety and yet we're definitely getting a lot of bang for our buck.

I think to be fair, for every Archuletta, you have to point out the guys who have stuck around and they're not breaking the bank. I think Snyder will always be a wheeling, dealing type of owner to be honest; it's his style.

Look the reality is that there are still people here who think it's 2000 and we're still signing Bruce Smith. And then there are still people who bitch and moan about we have no "General Manager" but probably couldn't even tell you what they mean by that. They'll say "Well the Pats, Eagles, Bears, Steelers, and Colts all have GMs" Well technically, only the Bears and Eagles have anyone with that title. The rest all have titles similar or identical to Cerrato's VP of Football Operations. Would people feel better if we just changed Cerrato (or even Gibbs') title to General Manager? Just so we can say we have one?

Look the reality is that there are still people here who think it's 2000 and we're still signing Bruce Smith. And then there are still people who bitch and moan about we have no "General Manager" but probably couldn't even tell you what they mean by that. They'll say "Well the Pats, Eagles, Bears, Steelers, and Colts all have GMs" Well technically, only the Bears and Eagles have anyone with that title. The rest all have titles similar or identical to Cerrato's VP of Football Operations. Would people feel better if we just changed Cerrato (or even Gibbs') title to General Manager? Just so we can say we have one?

Probably.

Everytime I start to post something about how real football is different from fantasy football and you can't run the team like that, etc, the Redskins sign another WR.

I guess we can take solace in the fact that the owner is slightly less nutty than most of the fans who seem to want to sign anybody they've heard of that also has contract problems.