Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?

My point is that even though the stats did improve he was already broken mentally. Dosn't matter necessarily if it happens to an elite prospect or an undrafted free agent. Once your mind says I'm not confident anymore it's very hard to fight back. Not saying it doesn't happen. Shuler was broken and therefore was actually much much worse than where he was just before he came to that realization in the first place.Uhhh...ok? Not sure that you or I should be playing Shuler's psychatrist here. He just wasn't very good at football. That's not a mental condition, that just throws him in with 99% of the population.

I'm sure being horrible does a lot to break ones confidence, but this hardly means he peaked at age 22.

And how can we be sure that Quinn will suffer the same fate?

It's hard to get a projection on Romo with any confidence. Dude was undrafted so we don't learn anything from his college days, and all we have is 12 games of him to date, the first 8 he played lights out and the last 4 he was borderline awful.

The similarities with Hasselbeck are there but it only takes a few differences to send them to opposite sides of the NFL QB spectrum.

And to echo, indeed only time will tell for sure. My money's on a regression this year.

We'll just have to see but if it came down to Romo and Eli, let it be known that I would take Romo...lol.

We'll just have to see but if it came down to Romo and Eli, let it be known that I would take Romo...lol.I'd take Eli.

And no, I would not put a smile on and act like I enjoyed it.

Uhhh...ok? Not sure that you or I should be playing Shuler's psychatrist here. He just wasn't very good at football. That's not a mental condition, that just throws him in with 99% of the population.

I'm sure being horrible does a lot to break ones confidence, but this hardly means he peaked at age 22.

And how can we be sure that Quinn will suffer the same fate?

Shuler was a very good football player until he had to make the giant transition to the NFL. Not saying Quinn will suffer the same fate. That would almost be impossible to match that kind of meltdown, but make no mistake the NFL makes rookie QB's meltdown right from the start on a regular basis.

Shuler was a very good football player until he had to make the giant transition to the NFL. Not saying Quinn will suffer same fate. That would almost be impossible to match that kind of meltdown, but make no mistake the NFL makes rookie QB's meltdown right from the start on a regular basis.I really don't think Shuler had a meltdown, I just don't think that he was ever a very good NFL prospect.

Remember, Shuler got selected in an era where the first round QB was not an every year thing. So scouts really had no idea that good college QBs aren't always good pro QB's.

Now we know that. Shuler was the first QB in a long line of college studs who didnt have the mental skill set to be successful at QB in the NFL. Back in 93, very few teams had successful QBs in general. Nowadays, pretty much every team has one somewhere on their roster (even Oakland now!).

Still, Shuler hit the league as a historically bad rookie, and left it as a still pretty bad 4 year player, but with experience to boot. He was a better QB when he left the league than when he entered it. Had some sadistic team picked him up and kept starting him, he likely would have improved steadily for another three years. He just never would have been good.

All QBs improve when exposed to NFL experience and Shuler is no exception. It's just that not all NFL QBs will ever been any good, despite improvement. If you are bad, you're bad.

All QBs improve when exposed to NFL experience and Shuler is no exception.

Still don't agree with that statement three pages later. Anyways have a good one.

I'd take Eli.

And no, I would not put a smile on and act like I enjoyed it.
with a things being equal, i would take Romo. i was wondering what your reasoning behind taking Manning? just your preference?

I honestly never thought Quinn was that good. I have a good friend who is a HUGE ND fan and won't shut up. He thinks that ND had the toughest schedule in the whole NCAA Division 1. Me being a Florida fan I beg to differ, but even if I wasn't a Florida fan, ND plays teams that were good... 40 yeas ago, and when Brady did play a higher tier team he got trampled all over. This kid isn't a starter in the NFL.

Posts like this make me laugh. I'm not a supporter of either ND or Fla, but give me a break. It's funny how ND's schedule works. In Weis's first season, all the "experts" looked at their schedule and said ND would start 0-6 and like 2-8. ND then went out and won most of those games, including coming within an inch of knocking off USC, and then their schedule became "soft" because most of their opponents were having down years, as if that was ND's problem when they scheduled them anywhere from 5-10 years earlier. This season it will be the same way. They play at Michigan and Penn State back to back, early in the season..they also play USC and UCLA within two weeks of each other. That's a brutal slate right there. Sure they have the occasional cupcake on there...like Navy (who's actually been a Bowl team in many recent years) or Duke this season.

But give me a break...Quinn's played in many high-profile games and despite limited running help, weak offensive lines, he's done very well...of course he'll be a good starter in the NFL. The fact that teams passed on him is because most teams this draft didn't need a QB, pure and simple. The only one that did pass who needed a QB was the Dolphins.

And Florida? Please. Sure they play in the SEC and have their share of tough conference games. But they also get to beat on wimps like Vandy, Kentucky, Miss State, etc regularly. And their non conference schedule is a joke, except when Fla State is good. Some of Fla's recent non-con opponents? Central Fla, Western Carolina??? (I-AA? at least ND doesn't schedule those)...Wyoming, La Tech, Eastern Michigan, Middle Tenn State, SJ State....shoot, when's the last time Florida played a challenging road game outside the SEC, or even the state of Florida? When's the last time they went to like USC, or Penn State, or Michigan or Nebraska? 20 years? 25?

To answer the original question both sides should meet halfway and get the kid into camp.

with a things being equal, i would take Romo. i was wondering what your reasoning behind taking Manning? just your preference?Manning's probably going to make a sizable maturity either in this season or next.

In his prime, he will be an average to above average QB in this league.

I can't say the same for Romo. He's got the tools to be, but is very far from a certainty. Romo might never best his 2006 season.

Still don't agree with that statement three pages later. Anyways have a good one.Well, anyway, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. You too man, have a good one.