Top 5 All-Time Head Coaches?

joe gibbs may only be doing it for the money.The draft was just awful.The D line the worst ever.This is the guy you call smart.Yes the first years of his carrer his first pick was joe jacoby.Sorry redskin fans but 5-11 would be good this year.This team is old and the draft offers no lineman.Draft all the backs you want without the line its a waste of time.(COACHING 101)Hey joe you need some help.oR YOU DONT CARE.This is not you.Its the truth every word i WRITE. you dont go from the super bowl to the worst in the NFL.Hey joe get in your car and go back to the track.YEAR 4 NO LINEMAN DRAFTED WAKE UP FANS

JayFrank? Is Frank your last name or your boyfriend's name?

JayFrank? Is Frank your last name or your boyfriend's name?

Don't encourage him. Although it's rare to see a troll on this site, they do ooze out from the cracks every once in a while.

My list in no particular order include Lombardi, Shula, Gibbs, Walsh, and Landry

Don't encourage him. Although it's rare to see a troll on this site, they do ooze out from the cracks every once in a while.

I agree. Ignore him.

JayFrank? Is Frank your last name or your boyfriend's name?

LOL.
However, is he THAT wrong? I think he went about it a little too harsh, but he certainly makes valid points.

Back to the point. I'm not sure Gibbs makes my top 5 after the poor showing he has had the past few years (or as someone said, Gibbs 2.0).

Lombardi
Walsh
Gibbs
Landry
Noll
Shula
Halas
Belichick
Brown
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Belichick has revolutionized franchise leadership -- in both coaching and personnel management -- in the salary cap era. Unlike the other coaches on this list (and Gibbs, etc.), he can't benefit from a payroll gap between rich and poor franchises.

The current system was designed to create parity, but Belichick has gamed it via value-based player evaluation, a focus on position flexibility, and phenomenal game planning. He's the best coach in NFL history, bar none.

Of course, as we all remember, Belichick also turned the Giants' defense into a powerhouse, winning two Super Bowls as a coordinator during the '80s. . . . A lot has been said about his lack of success in Cleveland. I disagree with that assessment. Belichick inherited a 3-13, then led them to consecutive seasons of 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, and 10-6 (plus a playoff victory over Parcells' Patriots). This steady improvement only abated in his final season, which Art Modell wrecked by his pre-season decision to move to Baltimore, throwing the season (and fan base) into the sewer.

Are you related to Bill B., or do you just have a FatHead of him in your living room. :laughing-

That being said, I believe Belichick is in the top 10 discussion, not "Best of All-Time", or even top 5. Here's why not:

1) With a 21-6 lead over Indy last year shortly before half of the AFC Championship game NE couldn't close the deal....not a great statement for "game planning" and in-game adjustments

2) He was the Def Coordinator for the Giants, but a guy named Parcells had a lot more to do with those championship teams than Belichick. I don't think two Hall of Fame LBs hurt either (LT & Harry Carson). One who many argue is the greatest game changing defensive player of all-time (LT).

3) Cleveland did happen. Going from 3-13 to 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 10-6 are "solid-coach" numbers, not "greatest coach of all-time" numbers.

4) The AFC East has not exactly been a powerhouse division the last few years, hence at least 4-5 easy wins per year and an easy route to the playoffs. When Gibbs (since you threw a little dart there) was winning Super Bowls, the Skins were coming out of the NFC East in the 80's and 90-91. During that time the NFC East was the toughest division in football. There was also the 49ers to contend with who were pretty darn good too.

Here's my top five from the last thread on this:

1) Lombardi - 96-34 / 9-1 Playoffs / 7 championships in 11 years.
2) Halas - 318-148-32 / 6-4 Playoffs / 6 championships
3) Shula - 328-156-6 / 3 championships
4) Gibbs - 146-86 / 17-6 Playoffs / 3 championships (with 3 different QBs). 1982 - 1991 9 of 10 seasons with 10 or more wins. (1982 strike season 8-1). If Gibbs can win 1 or 2 more rings before retiring (without any more 5-11 seasons) he will vault to # 2.
5) Landry - 250-162 / 20-16 Playoffs / 2 Championships. 1968 - 1983 13 of 15 seasons with 10 or more wins.

4) Gibbs - 146-86 / 17-6 Playoffs / 3 championships (with 3 different QBs). 1982 - 1991 9 of 10 seasons with 10 or more wins. (1982 strike season 8-1). If Gibbs can win 1 or 2 more rings before retiring (without any more 5-11 seasons) he will vault to # 2.


I agree with your assesment of Gibbs however you are slightly off in your stats...Gibbs also went 7-9 in 1988, the year after he won his second Super Bowl...

Top 5 in my book:

1. Vince Lombardi
2. Joe Gibbs
3. Bill Walsh
4. George Halas
5. Don Shula

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If any of you people discredit Joe Gibbs because of only two bad season's of work since he's been back, you're either a complete idiot or too young to remember how unbelievably outstanding he was in the first go round. The man won three Super Bowl's with three different starting QB's for crying out loud!!! I have to give Lombardi the nod as tops of all-time though, he helped revolutionize football into mainstream America and he also sported the burgandy and gold briefly!

joe gibbs.no way.with the worst D last year IN THE NFL 31ST This guy drafts no linemen of any kind.thanks NASCAR JOE.TOP 5 NO WAY SORRY.

What are you, about 18 years old. Stop with the NASCAR Joe stuff (even though both of his drivers are top five in the points). In Joe Gibbs' heydey he could coach circles around some of these bums coaching today. I'll still take him today over any coach in the league (yes, even that hoody in New England with the questionable tatics)!