Belichick...Best of All Time????

No problem, this thread is still headed in the right direction so far

Also, you clearly are missing my point on his Browns' tenure. That stint does nothing to take away from his accomplishments in New England.
Schneed... according to my wife, that would not be the first time I have done this...

But my point was if the Brown's had not moved.... he had things going in the right direction.

No problem, this thread is still headed in the right direction so far
OK.. I accept my :spank:

Schneed... according to my wife, that would not be the first time I have done this...

But my point was if the Brown's had not moved.... he had things going in the right direction.

I think you and I are on the same page, I think Belichick is the friggin man. I just wouldn't rank him top 5.

Quick answer, no. Best of this era, yes.

Cleveland is tough, can't dismiss it because it did happen, but whoa what a bounce back. But as far as coaches go I'd have to go with Parcells over Belichick because his least successful stop was Dallas and he still made the playoffs twice there. (Yaaaak! Ralph! Earl! Recch! :vomit:)

I'd go

1. Lombardi
2. Shula
3. Gibbs
4. Noll
5. Walsh

Belichick is in the discussion, and if/when he wins another SB (Brady to Moss should have been banned) then he's top 5.
Memphis,

Let me ask you a question. For EACH of Parcells Super Bowl appearances... who was his defensive coordinator? What did he accomplish the years with the Patriots and Cowboys without that coordinator vs what he accomplished with him??? He did squat in NE without Belichick and backed into the playoffs 2 times with the cowgirls.

Belichick....best of all time? I hope that's a joke...? Not EVEN CLOSE to Mr. GIBBS!

But my point was if the Brown's had not moved.... he had things going in the right direction.IMO, I don't think an HC has the ability to get a team going in the right direction. The greatest good for a coach is to give his team the greatest and most consistent advantage year in and year out. You can do this motivationally, or you can do this strategically.

But ultimately, the expected responsibility of the coach is to make sure he is playing the best 11 players for any given situation. And I don't know how someone can make a top ten list and leave Andy Reid off it. All-time.

I'm torn on Gibbs. I mean he created one of the most innovative and effective systems ever and clearly used his talent correctly. But as the generations passed and more and more of the population became interested in football coaching, it's clear that the old horses like Gibbs and Parcells, while still incredibly effective coaches, were not so elite anymore. Since anyone can learn how to coach, the consistent winners are the teams who have better football players, a skill that cannot easily be taught.

In the 60s and 70s, a dominant coach could give a big edge to his team. Nowadays, the guy on the other sideline knows all the tricks and trades that you do. You have little advantage over the other 31 coaches, and due to this, the effect of coaching on the outcome of games is nearly nullified.

Anyway, here's my list:

1. Vince Lombardi
2. Bill Walsh
3. Don Shula
4. Andy Reid
5. John Madden
6. Bill Belicheik
7. Bill Cowher
8. Paul Brown
9. Chuck Noll
10. Dick Vermeil

GTripp,

I don't know how you can elevate guys like Andy Reid above coaches like Joe Gibbs. 4th best coach of ALL TIME? I have all the respect in the world for Reid, but he doesn't hold a candle to Gibbs. To do what Gibbs did with so many different players is simply amazing.

hell no he isnt even close!!!!!!!