Rocky McIntosh

personally i didnt see much difference between us selecting rocky last year in the second round compared to carolina selecting jon beason from miami or lawerence timmons from florida state in the first round. they all look at have the same attributes.

maybe a clear cut reason is because lemar is better....

Well if Lemar is better we pissed away a high second pick (along with the other pick or picks that I don't feel like researching right now). Lemar, when healthy, is a solid productive guy. McIntosh has the pedigree and ability to be great.

personally i didnt see much difference between us selecting rocky last year in the second round compared to carolina selecting jon beason from miami or lawerence timmons from florida state in the first round. they all look at have the same attributes.

Rocky is very very fast.

Perhaps the time has come that the shroud of mystery concerning Rocky McIntosh is about to be unveiled. We were never presented with a clear-cut reason as to why he was not playing, according to today's article in the Wash.Post he's finally going to get his opportunity. It was also good to witness Marshall's attitude in reference to the change.

I think that could be part of the reason Dale Lindsey got the ax. Some idiot thought Warrick Holdman was a starting caliber LB. Could Rocky have done any worse?? I doubt it. I personally can't wait to see the kid play. He is one of the 3 Redskins whose performance I am most anxiously anticipating (JC and Landry being the other 2).

Good news... I really think Lindsey had something to do with holding Rocky back last year.

Marshall is a great backup to have since he is so versatile. I hope he keeps a good attitude about coming off the bench.

I think Lindsey is a huge reason that Rocky rode the pine all year. I remember reading that alot of players were stunned that he was getting such a small amount of playing time because he looked so good in practice and was a stud on special teams. He looked good against the Rams with limited pt , and then had that great play getting Tiki in the backfield during the season finale. That was probaly the only time we tackled Tiki for a loss last season. Literally. Lindsey probaly had a feeling he was on the way out and did'nt want to push his luck by playing a rookie during his make or break season. Look's like that was the wrong move just like mishandeling lavar and not pushing harder to retain Pierce.

Maybe it's on Lindsey to an extent. But isn't it (or is it) the responsibility of someone above Lindsey (Blache, Williams, Gibbs, Matty) to step in and say "Rocky's playing. You find a way to make it work" Or is that overstepping your bounds and not letting your subordinates do their job?

Maybe it's on Lindsey to an extent. But isn't it (or is it) the responsibility of someone above Lindsey (Blache, Williams, Gibbs, Matty) to step in and say "Rocky's playing. You find a way to make it work" Or is that overstepping your bounds and not letting your subordinates do their job?

Yeah, there is a fine line there. I think you could be right about the overstepping your bounds thing. Not to be cliche, but you lie in the bed you make. They hired Lindsey to oversee the LB's. Gibbs puts such a premium on veterans, and it's no secret G.Williams doesn't like to play rookies very much (Taylor, Rodgers, Rocky). But if you're the LB coach you tell the D. coordinator who should start. If Williams just says "NO," then what did they hire Lindsey for to begin with?

Obviously position coaches are very important. Look how our secondary regressed when Dewayne Walker left for UCLA (I know injuries played a role too). Hopefully we'll see the opposite effect with our LBs now that Lindsey is gone. Speaking of which, does anyone know anything about the new LB guy, Olividotti (sp)?

I am very dissapointed by this move and the coaches have really made a big mistake here. Make Rocky and Lemar battle it out all summer and preseason and name your starter in late August. This is very disrespectful to a proven veteran and good Redskin like Lemar and serves no purpose but to make Lemar want to leave. How can you give a position away? A player needs to earn it. This is becoming a pattern, Andre Carter was given the DE job on day 1 of becoming a redskin with out any work to earn it. Carter proceeded to have a poor 3/4 of a season in 2006.
I do not care how much money a guy is making...you play the players that prove it ON THE FIELD and give you the best chance to win. Not where they are drafted or how much you gave up to get him. That is why we sucked last year. You think we would have learned from last year. I hope this not a repeat of the Carter situation. Rocky better earn the starting job and do a good job.
What happened to the old fashioned way of earning a starting spot?

I am very dissapointed by this move and the coaches have really made a big mistake here. Make Rocky and Lemar battle it out all summer and preseason and name your starter in late August. This is very disrespectful to a proven veteran and good Redskin like Lemar and serves no purpose but to make Lemar want to leave. How can you give a position away? A player needs to earn it. This is becoming a pattern, Andre Carter was given the DE job on day 1 of becoming a redskin with out any work to earn it. Carter proceeded to have a poor 3/4 of a season in 2006.
I do not care how much money a guy is making...you play the players that prove it ON THE FIELD and give you the best chance to win. Not where they are drafted or how much you gave up to get him. That is why we sucked last year. You think we would have learned from last year. I hope this not a repeat of the Carter situation. Rocky better earn the starting job and do a good job.
What happened to the old fashioned way of earning a starting spot?


i think you are missing the point here rocky should have been on the field in 2006 but wasnt for whatever reason and in the games he started he played well and he was drafted for this soul purpose to start at that position and lemar's versatility makes him able to play all 3 linebacker spots it wasnt a shot of disrespect it is just what he was drafted for look at the broncos last year 7-4 before cutler was put in you could say he hadnt earned it but that is what he was drafted for so that is what it is and they didnt make the playoffs so when you draft someone to do something you have to put them in eventually

i think you are missing the point here rocky should have been on the field in 2006 but wasnt for whatever reason and in the games he started he played well and he was drafted for this soul purpose to start at that position and lemar's versatility makes him able to play all 3 linebacker spots it wasnt a shot of disrespect it is just what he was drafted for look at the broncos last year 7-4 before cutler was put in you could say he hadnt earned it but that is what he was drafted for so that is what it is and they didnt make the playoffs so when you draft someone to do something you have to put them in eventually

You are missing my point. You will shoot yourself in the foot if you set your depth chart in May by where a player was drafted.
You play your best players regardless of pedigree and you let the players prove their worth on the field, not in a draft room.
In the 1981 draft, Mark may was the 1st round pick and top draft choice. Gibbs and Bugel benched May and instead started two young undrafted OL Joe Jacoby and Jeff Bostic and 3rd rounder Russ Grimm and used an old retred in George Starke in at May's position. Why? Because Starke was better than May at tht time and Starke gave us the better chance to win at that time. 1st round pick and top draft pick Mark may sat on the bench. May did not crack the starting line up for a couple of years later. That 1982 offensive line went on to win the super bowl with May on the bench 1983.

There are ton more examples:

In 1985 top draft pick CB Tory Nixon was a bust, but in that same draft 8th round pick Barry Wilburn became a starter, while not a great player he eventaully EARNED the starting job over an incomptent Tory Nixon.

In 1994 draft 8th round pick Gus Ferrotte became the better pro than 1st round pick Heath Shuler.

8th round pick OG Darryl Grant from tiny little Rice University was moved to DT and he started over our top pick in 1984 DT Bob Slater from Oklahoma. Slater never cracked the starting lineup and hurt his knee and was cut.
I could keep on going. There are a ton of examples.
Let the player prove it on the field. If Rocky comes in and gets a sack or interception or a several tackles behind he line of scrimmage, by all means start him! But that has not happened yet for whatever reason.

In today's Nfl with a salary cap and front office egos larger than ever, I guess you look bad if you start a lower drafted player over a higher drafted one. To them it means you made a mistake. Gibbs and Williams should not care and start whoever works best. That is a major problem with having your coach as your GM.