Real Sports' Look at the NFL and Concussions

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha
05-15-2007, 03:40 PM
I missed last night's episode of Real Sports and its story about the NFL and concussions, but I keep hearing about it. In particular, I keep hearing how the NFL's doctors keep arguing that there is no direct link between the concussions NFL players sustain and long-term health problems despite all of the evidence to the contrary. It's definately an interesting story and I plan to catch the re-run tonight at 7pm. Did anyone see it?

dmek25
05-15-2007, 03:44 PM
i saw it before. the league is trying to crack down on players being pushed back to play before they fully recover. the only remedy is to use outside doctors, that aren't employed by the league, so no conflict of interest arises. right now all NFL teams employ their own doctors and medical staff

ArtMonkDrillz
05-15-2007, 03:49 PM
I missed it, but I wish I hadn't.
After reading an ESPN the Mag article a few months back I convinced myself that the reason I suffer from headaches almost every day is that I've had at least 6 concussions in my life. I'm probably just being a bit of a hypochondriac but the article seemed to fit me pretty well.
Maybe I should just make a doctors appointment.

70Chip
05-15-2007, 03:57 PM
Forensic Doctors are saying there is a link between concussions and the depression that was apparently a factor in the suicide of former Eagle Andre Waters. I'm no psychiatrist, but it seems to me that Waters was showing signs of imbalance during his playing days, long before concussions could have had any degenerative effect.

The known side-effects of concussions would certainly not be helpful to someone who has depression, but they are being dishonest if they say there is a provable link. Is Troy Aikman suicidal, or Steve Young? This has Peter Angelos style lawsuit written all over it.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
05-15-2007, 04:38 PM
Forensic Doctors are saying there is a link between concussions and the depression that was apparently a factor in the suicide of former Eagle Andre Waters. I'm no psychiatrist, but it seems to me that Waters was showing signs of imbalance during his playing days, long before concussions could have had any degenerative effect.

The known side-effects of concussions would certainly not be helpful to someone who has depression, but they are being dishonest if they say there is a provable link. Is Troy Aikman suicidal, or Steve Young? This has Peter Angelos style lawsuit written all over it.

I honestly cannot speak intelligently to the issue since I don't have an M.D. and have not done a lot of independent research. But, I don't think every player who has suffered multiple concussions has to suffer serious depression or commit suicide in order for there to be any validity to the theory. The story could indeed have Peter Angelos written all over it, or it could be a "Any Given Sunday" sleezy team-doctor sorta deal.

This story reminds me of the stories coming out of Iraq about soldiers who were badly shaken in IED attacks. Basically, the stories talked about how so many soldiers go through IED attacks, suffer what amounts to severe concussions, and later develop severe emotional disorders. I saw a news story about it and a doctor basically said that science is now discovering that all sorts of strange emotional and behavior problems result from severe concussive blasts, head trauma, etc.

skinsfan_nn
05-15-2007, 08:08 PM
I honestly cannot speak intelligently to the issue since I don't have an M.D. and have not done a lot of independent research. But, I don't think every player who has suffered multiple concussions has to suffer serious depression or commit suicide in order for there to be any validity to the theory. The story could indeed have Peter Angelos written all over it, or it could be a "Any Given Sunday" sleezy team-doctor sorta deal.

This story reminds me of the stories coming out of Iraq about soldiers who were badly shaken in IED attacks. Basically, the stories talked about how so many soldiers go through IED attacks, suffer what amounts to severe concussions, and later develop severe emotional disorders. I saw a news story about it and a doctor basically said that science is now discovering that all sorts of strange emotional and behavior problems result from severe concussive blasts, head trauma, etc.

I think you probably right SGG, hurry up and get back in there, your getting paid big bucks. We don't REALLY care about your health or what happens down the road....long term effects. They need to get some outside medical opinions, (NON BIAS M.D's) and LISTEN to them, on this serious issue.

I look foward to catching this piece.

redskinsfanatic
05-15-2007, 09:18 PM
i ai'nt an md,but get hitting constanly hit on the head 7 months out of the year can't be too good on one's brain can it?

dmek25
05-15-2007, 11:24 PM
i ai'nt an md,but get hitting constanly hit on the head 7 months out of the year can't be too good on one's brain can it?
does it cause fragmented english like this? just kidding

Crazyhorse1
05-16-2007, 07:13 PM
i ai'nt an md,but get hitting constanly hit on the head 7 months out of the year can't be too good on one's brain can it?

I'm a life-long football fan and even played a few years longer than I should have, looking back. I have to say, however, that I'll never intellectually stoop low enough to thinking playing the game is good for you. Concussions do permanent damage that can range from a life-time of seizures and depression to neuropathy and it's pretty much a joke that the game helps with character development (I know I don't have to cite examples here). It also shortens lives-- dramatically so in relation to the NFL.

Playing football is not as loathsome as being sacrificed to the sun god, but it's getting there. That's why I don't begrudge the guys getting big bucks. What's your health worth? Staubach is on record as saying he wishes he never played the game and Namath says he'd give up every thing he ever made from it if he could just put his pants on. Huey Long, commenting on his present occupation living with injuries: Every day is a bad day. Some days its worse.

Here's a short list of my own injuries and consequences:

Three concussions
Seizures, depression
Nerve damage at base of brain
Spinal damage at C1 and lower back
Can't lift feet from floor more than a few inches
Can't move two fingers, muscles severed
Can't rotate left arm or hand
Severely damaged hamstring, never recovered
Severed bicept
Arthritis in knees, ankles, hips
Replaced left knee
Three knee operations
Five hernia operations
Eight operations for infected stitches
Loss of eighty percent of bladder function: nerve related (neuropathy)
Loss of six teeth-- all removed after splitting

On the other hand here's how much my character was enhanced by years of trying to flatten my fellow man and conversation with moral and genius coaches: zip.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
05-16-2007, 07:30 PM
Did anyone else who saw the segment notice how lawyerlike the doctor who did research on behalf of the league seemed? He was definately prepped by someone for the interview.

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