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EARTHQUAKE2689 05-07-2007, 07:32 AM might be the average age doesnt mean on the downside remember tiki didnt hit prime to about 28 and barry sanders was in his prime at 31 when he left and peyton is still there so i dont see what youre getting at and marvin harison and tory holt as well
dmek25 05-07-2007, 08:04 AM pay attention. he said the average career. who knows what category sean taylor will fall under at age 28. he is only clumping him in with the rest of the league.
To answer the original question: NO
GTripp0012 05-07-2007, 11:59 AM might be the average age doesnt mean on the downside remember tiki didnt hit prime to about 28 and barry sanders was in his prime at 31 when he left and peyton is still there so i dont see what youre getting at and marvin harison and tory holt as wellWell, players like Tiki exist, but that makes him the exception, not the rule.
Peyton's a bad example because QBs tend to peak later than the rest of the positions.
Holt and Harrison and Sanders probably maxed out at age 28. Look, I'm not trying to say they were worthless players at age 28 (Barry Sanders was still playing at a HOF level when he retired), far, far from it. Heck, I was the biggest advocate for bringing Fletcher in here and he's going to be 32.
But when you give the big bucks to somebody who is 28 and coming off their rookie deal, you can't make the argument that you are "paying for potential" because in theory, the guy's as good as hes ever going to be (QBs the exception).
NFL contracts escilate on the back end, so if we were to sign a 28 year old Taylor to a 6 year deal, he'd be 32 and making more money in the 4th year of his deal than at any year in his career prior to that. What happens when Sean doesn't have elite physical skills anymore (30-31)? What is the strength of his game once his athleticism becomes pedestrian?
EARTHQUAKE2689 05-07-2007, 07:12 PM Well, players like Tiki exist, but that makes him the exception, not the rule.
Peyton's a bad example because QBs tend to peak later than the rest of the positions.
Holt and Harrison and Sanders probably maxed out at age 28. Look, I'm not trying to say they were worthless players at age 28 (Barry Sanders was still playing at a HOF level when he retired), far, far from it. Heck, I was the biggest advocate for bringing Fletcher in here and he's going to be 32.
But when you give the big bucks to somebody who is 28 and coming off their rookie deal, you can't make the argument that you are "paying for potential" because in theory, the guy's as good as hes ever going to be (QBs the exception).
NFL contracts escilate on the back end, so if we were to sign a 28 year old Taylor to a 6 year deal, he'd be 32 and making more money in the 4th year of his deal than at any year in his career prior to that. What happens when Sean doesn't have elite physical skills anymore (30-31)? What is the strength of his game once his athleticism becomes pedestrian?
i know that you said the average career but to me "prime" cant be put in an age group cause everyone peaks at different times and for Dmek you always seem to be right there on me telling me what i have missed (even though i didnt miss it this time) i love you dmek
Pocket$ $traight 05-07-2007, 09:26 PM I don't know about that one. ST was robbed. Good for the 'Skins though.
How is that good for the Skins? It just means a future problem in the locker room is lurking.
They would be smart to extend him.
GTripp0012 05-07-2007, 09:41 PM i know that you said the average career but to me "prime" cant be put in an age group cause everyone peaks at different times and for Dmek you always seem to be right there on me telling me what i have missed (even though i didnt miss it this time) i love you dmekYou're right. 28 is a rough estimate.
It's impossible to tell when a guy is going to have his best year. Even after he retires, you still don't really know when his best year was. But for a majority of players, I would say that their peak year falls somewhere between 27-29, and more than half at 28.
It's one of the reasons that Okoye was so intriguing. You have a player who will continue to improve physically for up to 10 years before even beginning to lose his physical skills. And he had the maximum amount of college experience to boot.
EARTHQUAKE2689 05-07-2007, 10:51 PM You're right. 28 is a rough estimate.
It's impossible to tell when a guy is going to have his best year. Even after he retires, you still don't really know when his best year was. But for a majority of players, I would say that their peak year falls somewhere between 27-29, and more than half at 28.
It's one of the reasons that Okoye was so intriguing. You have a player who will continue to improve physically for up to 10 years before even beginning to lose his physical skills. And he had the maximum amount of college experience to boot.
but landry could have the same kind of dominance
GTripp0012 05-07-2007, 11:31 PM but landry could have the same kind of dominanceHe's got everything you look for in a safety prospect, but an Amobi Okoye situation may never happen again. There will be other elite safety prospects in the future, believe me.
EARTHQUAKE2689 05-07-2007, 11:32 PM He's got everything you look for in a safety prospect, but an Amobi Okoye situation may never happen again. There will be other elite safety prospects in the future, believe me.
true but there will be great dt prospects too that is the key word there
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