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KLHJ2 05-03-2007, 12:39 AM Trust me. I will be all over this board when Randy has 1000 yards in week 10.
Just make sure that you have a hanky ready for when you splurge. You have the biggest man crush I have ever seen over a player.
Pocket$ $traight 05-03-2007, 12:49 AM Just make sure that you have a hanky ready for when you splurge. You have the biggest man crush I have ever seen over a player.
I tell it like it is. I don't even like Randy Moss but I cannot deny pure talent.
KLHJ2 05-03-2007, 12:58 AM I tell it like it is. I don't even like Randy Moss but I cannot deny pure talent.
The funny thin is that I was arguing your point of view to Jsarno the night before last. Now I am giving you shit about something I actually agree with you on. I was only making the statement that those 2 receivers bring something uniquely different to the table. Randy is better, he will break at least 1300 yards, but he is not God!
wolfeskins 05-03-2007, 01:35 PM I have nothing else to say. Watch Randy play this year and talk to me 12 months from now. Just like my Keyshawn point last year.
I will take any bet on the side that Randy has more TD's and yards than Santana in 2007. Anyone willing to put their money where their mouth is, private message me.
randy might very well end up with better stats then santanna but that doesn't make randy the better wr. i'd take tom brady over jason campbell as my qb. the pats just have a better offense then the skins do, maybe not better players but definately a more productive offense.
skinsfan69 05-03-2007, 04:16 PM Ok. You have some solid points with the flexibility of the NE offense, and having a QB of Brady's caliber certainly gives them that flexibility, but spreading the defense out does not necessarily imply aggression. I mean they can be and usually are very safe and smart with their throws, and it's a credit to Tom Brady's patience as a QB.
And Mark Brunell certainly did not display the same level of patience as Brady did this year, but that was as much a function of some inconsistent protection as it was with age and fragility.
But once given the clear differences between a great 28 year old QB in the prime of his career and a once great 36 year old QB in the twilight of his career, its still not hard to see that they do a lot of stuff similar, even this year. Brady is obviously in a better situation as far as system and protection goes, whereas Brunell is in a better situation after the completion with guys like Moss and Cooley who excell after the catch.
Both guys do a great job in taking what the defense gives them. That doesn't translate to wins if you have the 32nd ranked defense, but both guys do their jobs.
Replace "Brady's" with "Brunell's" and the statement stays accurate. I mean, the term "great" is quite subjective, but as far as 36 year old QBs go, I'd say Brunell is great for his age.
"and a once great 36 year old qb" Are u serious? I loved Brunell's game in his prime. He was a poor man's Steve Young. But he was never a great QB. I know you love the guy to death but keep it real.
dmek25 05-03-2007, 09:10 PM how did this thread last so long without a picture of the 2 beautiful women? thats right, hessy and ladybrave. you guys thought i was talking about someone else?
Pocket$ $traight 05-03-2007, 09:15 PM how did this thread last so long without a picture of the 2 beautiful women? thats right, hessy and ladybrave. you guys thought i was talking about someone else?
Did he knock them up too?
skinsfan_nn 05-03-2007, 09:17 PM Trust me. I will be all over this board when Randy has 1000 yards in week 10.
You might be all over the board but not for that......That isn't happenin
GTripp0012 05-03-2007, 10:03 PM "and a once great 36 year old qb" Are u serious? I loved Brunell's game in his prime. He was a poor man's Steve Young. But he was never a great QB. I know you love the guy to death but keep it real.Great to me does not mean hall of famer for the record. I'm guessing it does to you, but let's not assume that because I'm calling a guy great, I'm stamping his ticket to Canton.
Brunell in his prime was certainly great, IMO. He would probably rank in the top 40 all time, part because good QBs were rare prior to the Young, Marino, Elway era. He's still capable of doing good things, and did a lot for this team last year, but you and I both know hes best suited to be a backup now.
GTripp0012 05-03-2007, 10:14 PM randy might very well end up with better stats then santanna but that doesn't make randy the better wr. i'd take tom brady over jason campbell as my qb. the pats just have a better offense then the skins do, maybe not better players but definately a more productive offense.Yeah, WR stats in general are very problematic. All the popular ones like catches and yards are 90% a combination of the system they are in and the tendencies of the QB. However, guys who are consistenly at the top of the league are probably as good as billed. Just don't crown Marcus Colston yet...you don't know if hes going to be the next Michael Clayton.
The one good measure for a WR is how many yards he averages after the catch. A great WR will be at the top of the league in YAC, and a good receiver will be average at YAC. That is the true decider of WR talent.
Not to say that everything that happens before the catch isn't important, but a good QB will always try to hit the open man, so the "ability to get open" for a receiver is more about the type of coverage he is facing than about any special skill he has.
Any receiver in the league can beat man to man coverage a good percentage of the time. It's why blitzing can only be effective if the QB gets pressured. If he gets off a good pass, every CB in the league is screwed.
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