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wilsowilso 04-27-2007, 04:30 AM I'm sure they will have a ring eventually. But throughout history, the only good scrambling QB to win a super bowl was Steve Young. But he was one of the best qb's EVER (i think he's THE best).
This argument says the only good scrambling QB to win a Super Bowl.
jsarno 04-27-2007, 04:32 AM Roger Staubach. Two Super Bowl Victories. SI names him the 4th best scrambling QB of all time just behind Young at #3. That's 2 super bowl wins. Elway has two wins as well and yes he is also in SI's top ten scrambling QB's of all time.
SI.com - Photo Gallery - Top 10 Scrambling QBs of the Modern Era (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/06/30/gallery.scrambling/content.1.html)
Well, SI is wrong, cause Staubach averaged only 5.52 yards per rush to Young's 5.87. Staubach had 2264 yards, and 20 tds in 131 games. Young had 4239 yards, and 43 tds in only 38 more games. They also have Staubach ahead of Vick...paaalease! Vick is likely the fastest QB ever to live.
They also named Tark the best scrambler of all time when his career average was only 5.44 and ran for 3674 yards rushing and 32 td's. Plus, his inferior numbers took him 77 MORE games. Young is better, and SI should reconsider their stats.
jsarno 04-27-2007, 04:36 AM This argument says the only good scrambling QB to win a Super Bowl.
Well, technically you are correct. But my point was a scrambling QBs with great passing stats. Something that Vick and Vince Young do not possess.
So throughout history, only Staubach, Elway and Young have put up passing numbers and could scramble. That's a small group, and great company.
I just don't see how you can say that Young is worse than a top 10 all time QB. He's number 1 in my book. My stats prove it.
jsarno 04-27-2007, 04:39 AM There are only two better scramblers than Young in the history of the NFL...and that's Randall Cunningham, and Michael Vick. There is absolutely no one with a better passer rating than young. He was truly amazing. A rare combination of speed, arm strength, brains, decision making ability, and accuracy. No one compares to all those.
Redskins8588 04-27-2007, 04:40 AM Here is my problem with Steve Young out of the league's all-time top 50 QB's he ranks 34th in pass attempts, 20th in completions, 21st in passing yards, and 19th in passing TD's. Also, he started for SF for 8 years and the best that he could do was 1 SB.
wilsowilso 04-27-2007, 04:40 AM Well, technically you are correct. But my point was a scrambling QBs with great passing stats. Something that Vick and Vince Young do not possess.
So throughout history, only Staubach, Elway and Young have put up passing numbers and could scramble. That's a small group, and great company.
I just don't see how you can say that Young is worse than a top 10 all time QB. He's number 1 in my book. My stats prove it.
I've changed my mind. Steve Young is of course top ten. No way is he top five
KLHJ2 04-27-2007, 04:42 AM Watch out for this Guy comming to a defense near you. He will never be a QB!YouTube - #1 Cornerback Recruit is a High School Quarterback (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQyShXYyDEM)
Redskins8588 04-27-2007, 04:42 AM There are only two better scramblers than Young in the history of the NFL...and that's Randall Cunningham, and Michael Vick. There is absolutely no one with a better passer rating than young. He was truly amazing. A rare combination of speed, arm strength, brains, decision making ability, and accuracy. No one compares to all those.
I would like to see what Elway could have done if he was throwing to the best WR ever to play the game. Young was good but come on it wasn't all him. Throwing to Rice didn't hurt him any.
KLHJ2 04-27-2007, 04:43 AM I've changed my mind. Steve Young is of course top ten. No way is he top five
Would you agree with most complete in all facets of the position?
jsarno 04-27-2007, 04:46 AM Here is my problem with Steve Young out of the league's all-time top 50 QB's he ranks 34th in pass attempts, 20th in completions, 21st in passing yards, and 19th in passing TD's. Also, he started for SF for 8 years and the best that he could do was 1 SB.
Yeah, but you have to look at how many games he played, you can only produce huge numbers when you play a lot of games. Also, he went up against a dynasty in the Cowboys. For as much as we hate the Cowboys, they were studly in the 90's.
That 1 Super Bowl validated his career.
Don't forget, Steve Young was 24 before he was drafted by Tampa...he started much later than most QB's...this is because he stayed in school and got educated, unlike some of the morons the NFL employs now-a-days.
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