Disgusted with Bonds?

Is anyone else disgusted with Bonds and his run at Aaron? There is no doubt in my mind he is a roid head, and he cheated to get where he is. I think this is a disgrace to baseball, and an insult to a truly great baseball player in Aaron. I know Aaron would never never say anything negative about this cause he's a class act, but he's got to be annoyed with it. He's only 15 away, and he's making me wish something I would never wish on anyone...a career ending injury. I know it's wrong, but the integrity of the sport is in jeopardy...we should not exhault players like Bonds who cheated to get where he is. It's wrong.
What does everyone else think?

Wrong section, but I guess I am a bit. I dont know what to make of the whole situation. It is very complicated

Wrong section, but I guess I am a bit. I dont know what to make of the whole situation. It is very complicated

Where should have I started this thread if not here?

How is it complicated? Explain.

Sports section.

And I dont know, I think I am talking about Bonds and the NOF. Because he was good before he took steroids, and how do y uo know if others didnt take steroids. It is a big mess.

Sports section.

And I dont know, I think I am talking about Bonds and the NOF. Because he was good before he took steroids, and how do y uo know if others didnt take steroids. It is a big mess.

What's NOF? Or did you mean HOF?
But no one else is going for Aaron's record, just Bonds.
Bonds was on his way to being one of the best all around players ever until he took steroids...now I will never count him as the best.
I can see what you are saying cause who knows just how many poeple took roids...but again I say, you don't see Giambi hitting 74 homers (or even 61), or going after Aaron's record...if he was, it would be about him taking roids. This is just like Canseco hitting 40/40 first...I no longer believe he is the first 40/40 player after he admitted to steroids.

I've moved this to Other Sports.

Ideally, you'd like someone like Ken Griffey Jr. to have gotten the record. And A-Rod could end up crushing the record anyway.

However, like Hoo said the general consensus is that whatever Bonds has used he didn't start using until after 1998. And if you cut off his career at that point he'd still be a Hall of Famer.

Furthermore, what he did may have been immoral but he didn't do anything that no one else could have done either. It's not his fault it was available and MLB chose not to test for it. As we've seen in the past couple of years pitchers have probably been the worst offenders of steroids abuse anyway.

The fact that he is a surly person makes it worse for Bonds but he shouldn't be found any more guilty than all those other players of that time that had access to and allegedly abused steroids.

This, to me, is just like the salary cap/revenue sharing issue. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Baseball needs Selig gone

I've moved this to Other Sports.

Ideally, you'd like someone like Ken Griffey Jr. to have gotten the record. And A-Rod could end up crushing the record anyway.

However, like Hoo said the general consensus is that whatever Bonds has used he didn't start using until after 1998. And if you cut off his career at that point he'd still be a Hall of Famer.

Furthermore, what he did may have been immoral but he didn't do anything that no one else could have done either. It's not his fault it was available and MLB chose not to test for it. As we've seen in the past couple of years pitchers have probably been the worst offenders of steroids abuse anyway.

The fact that he is a surly person makes it worse for Bonds but he shouldn't be found any more guilty than all those other players of that time that had access to and allegedly abused steroids.

This, to me, is just like the salary cap/revenue sharing issue. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Baseball needs Selig gone

There is a flaw in that logic...using steroids has ALWAYS been illegal in baseball. AND it's illegal in the USA. So it's not like "anyone else could have done it". It was illegal to do, and Bonds has disgraced baseball for doing so. Let's keep the issue where it belongs. Yes, I will agree Selig dropped the ball...but you blame the person doing the illegal action, no one else.

There is a flaw in that logic...using steroids has ALWAYS been illegal in baseball. AND it's illegal in the USA. So it's not like "anyone else could have done it". It was illegal to do, and Bonds has disgraced baseball for doing so. Let's keep the issue where it belongs. Yes, I will agree Selig dropped the ball...but you blame the person doing the illegal action, no one else.

But it wasn't tested for right? And I can't imagine he's the only player to use steroids. And how is what he did necessarily worse than scuffing a ball, or even stealing signs? If someone like Gaylord Perry can be in the HOF, then so can Bonds.

Baseball lost its integrity a long time ago. Just another drop in the bucket.

But it wasn't tested for right?

From what I understand, it was tested for, but it was no secret as to when they tested...beginning of year I beleive.

And I can't imagine he's the only player to use steroids.

Again, not the point. If Giambi was going for the record, I'd say the same thing. We all know he's not the only player to do roids...he's the only one that is going after a covetted record, and a record that is likely the biggest in all of baseball, and could be argued the biggest in all of sports.

And how is what he did necessarily worse than scuffing a ball, or even stealing signs? If someone like Gaylord Perry can be in the HOF, then so can Bonds.

Canseco is not going to the hall because he took roids, and he hit 462 homers, and stole 200 bases...do you know how many people have done that in history? Why not allow him in when he was the first 40/40 player? He is a 6 time all star, a ROY and an MVP, a 4 time silver slugger award winner too. You can't compare scuffing the ball occasionally to taking steroids...or stealing signs...especially since stealing signs is NOT against the MLB rules.

McGwire and Palmiero likely won't make it either due to suspected steroid use. Even though McGwire admitted to taking Andro (which was a legal MLB substance at the time he took it).