Gun Restrictions and Your Rights

Interesting, I never even thought of that point. There are a lot of criminals who use guns in crimes but who have no intention of using them. Maybe, if they thought they'd get shot at, they'd just ambush people so as to avoid the risk of a "fair" shootout.

That argument wont fly with the fact that florida was the car jack state back in the early 90's, guess what? They allowed people to not only own guns but carry them, and wham car Jackings disapeared, coincidence? I don't think so! Criminals with guns are bonified cowards, they need a swayed advantage to carry out thier crimes, when put in a situation of a even playingfield they usually will cower. Peace through strength is the only solution, so long as we have individuals who refuse to obey the law, or the rights of fellow citizens. The oblishment of guns argument is really just foolish, how much do you want to bet most who take this side also feel that marijuana should be legalized? And the argumant for the legalization would be " we will never stop people from getting it so we might as well legalize it and tax it " but somehow outalwing guns will get rid of them?

That argument wont fly with the fact that florida was the car jack state back in the early 90's, guess what? They allowed people to not only own guns but carry them, and wham car Jackings disapeared, coincidence? I don't think so! Criminals with guns are bonified cowards, they need a swayed advantage to carry out thier crimes, when put in a situation of a even playingfield they usually will cower. Peace through strength is the only solution, so long as we have individuals who refuse to obey the law, or the rights of fellow citizens. The oblishment of guns argument is really just foolish, how much do you want to bet most who take this side also feel that marijuana should be legalized? And the argumant for the legalization would be " we will never stop people from getting it so we might as well legalize it and tax it " but somehow outalwing guns will get rid of them?

You made an X and Y correlation. They would have to be directly related, and who knows, they could be! There are just too many factors to say that this caused that.

Beems, do you think the readily available supply of weapons in Iraq is doing a good job of deterring crime?

I love these rhetorical questions, How many people were butchered and tortured under sadam? Just in case nobody told you we are at war in Iraq, this is not a functioning society as of yet, there is a difference.

I do believe the supply of weopons in Israel is detering plenty of crime, like thier total distruction at the hands of the muslim nation.


What I feel you fail to understand SGG is that you feel this world is filled for the most part with pretty swell individuals, you haven't come to the realization yet that we live in a very evil world with people and nations who are willing to die to have the privledge of killing others.


I would like to know throughout all the dictatorships in this world, N. Korea, China, Cuba, Iran, and so forth, knowing how oppresive they are, how many have a fully armed population? My guess would be none. Yet in maybe the least oppresive country in the world we are the most armed as a far as the citizenship is concerned. Coincidence? I think not!

What I feel you fail to understand SGG is that you feel this world is filled for the most part with pretty swell individuals, you haven't come to the realization yet that we live in a very evil world with people and nations who are willing to die to have the privledge of killing others.

I would like to know throughout all the dictatorships in this world, N. Korea, China, Cuba, Iran, and so forth, knowing how oppresive they are, how many have a fully armed population? My guess would be none. Yet in maybe the least oppresive country in the world we are the most armed as a far as the citizenship is concerned. Coincidence? I think not!

Okay offiss, you sucked me back in.

#1. I don't feel the world is filled with pretty swell individuals, which is precisely why I don't think most people should have access to weapons. You, on the other hand, seem to think that most people are swell and trustworthy enough to own firearms. So, I'm not sure who hasn't come to the right "realization" or to work out their logic.

#2. I am not sure why people think our nation would turn into China, Iran, Cuba, etc. without guns. The idea that Clinton, Bush and other politicians are just waiting for the opportunity to storm the Jedi Temple and kill all the younglings is a little far-fetched and paranoid IMO. That notion is about 1mm from the extremist conspiracy plot that the UN is secretly planning to invade the US. I simply don't buy the notion that several fat guys who play war on the weekends in funny clothes are the linchpin of our democracy and, without them, the evil government would turn us into Nazi Germany.

#3. I still have yet to hear anyone quibble with my basic premise that getting rid of all guns would be good. The only thing I hear people say is that you cannot get rid of all guns. And, as I previously mentioned, I think it would not be as difficult to get rid of the vast majority of guns as people think.

Okay offiss, you sucked me back in.

#1. I don't feel the world is filled with pretty swell individuals, which is precisely why I don't think most people should have access to weapons. You, on the other hand, seem to think that most people are swell and trustworthy enough to own firearms. So, I'm not sure who hasn't come to the right "realization" or to work out their logic.

#2. I am not sure why people think our nation would turn into China, Iran, Cuba, etc. without guns. The idea that Clinton, Bush and other politicians are just waiting for the opportunity to storm the Jedi Temple and kill all the younglings is a little far-fetched and paranoid IMO. That notion is about 1mm from the extremist conspiracy plot that the UN is secretly planning to invade the US. I simply don't buy the notion that several fat guys who play war on the weekends in funny clothes are the linchpin of our democracy and, without them, the evil government would turn us into Nazi Germany.

#3. I still have yet to hear anyone quibble with my basic premise that getting rid of all guns would be good. The only thing I hear people say is that you cannot get rid of all guns. And, as I previously mentioned, I think it would not be as difficult to get rid of the vast majority of guns as people think.

Maybe when you figure out how to get rid of drugs first, people will listen to your theory about getting rid of guns, let me ask you, how would you plan to get rid of all these guns? Are you just going to tell people to do it? Or are you going to force them to do it? And if it's the later by what means would you force them??????????

Maybe when you figure out how to get rid of drugs first, people will listen to your theory about getting rid of guns, let me ask you, how would you plan to get rid of all these guns? Are you just going to tell people to do it? Or are you going to force them to do it? And if it's the later by what means would you force them??????????

I think it would be very difficult, but not impossible. But regardless of the feasibility of a weapons ban, I certainly don't think loosening gun laws and increasing gun ownership is the smart thing. I'll leave it at that.

This is kind of off-topic, but I felt it was appropriate to say, given the nature of the discussion:
I would like to create a "people's army". This army would not be controlled by any government agency, and its focus would not be armed conflict. The focus of this army would be to prepare themselves to take power from the federal government at a moment's notice. Since the government derives most of its power from money, the people's army would focus there. I imagine that this army would be comprised mostly of computer experts who would always have their hands in the government's business. They would break into federal computer networks, and always be ready to strike. If the time came, they would start draining money out of government accounts.

The major effect of this army would be the increased caution of the federal government. You see, the idea is to never have to use the army. The idea is to make the government think twice about infringing on the people's liberties, due to their concern about how the people's army might react.


I like this kind of Idea, but as I read it outloud I realilized something. We have a "peoples army" inplace. Now it might not work as fast as you have indicated, but our founders thought of it. Its called VOTING.

Just out of curiousity, how many people vote on here?

Also, as for anyone who is from PA can attest. This "peoples army" thing works with voting. Just in the past year or maybe 2 years the PA goverment officials voted to give themselves something like a 60% raise. Shortly after they did that, just about everyone in PA threatened to vote there represenative out of office, which caused some to kindly decline the raise they had just got.

Also, I do agree with everything Beenmseven has said in here on this topic. I too have a PA protection permit which entitles me to carry a consealed firearm. Even though I have the permission of PA to carry a consealed firearm I don't. By rights I could carry one hidden in my car, but I don't. Just because one can have the right to carry a consealed firearm doesnt mean that they do all the time if ever. It just the satisfaction of knowing that I have that right to protect not only myself but my 1 year old and 3 year old daughter and my 5 year old son and my wife.

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This is a tragic story. I am a firearm lover. Gentlemen, make sure that you have an intruder before you fire a shot in the dark.

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This is a tragic story. I am a firearm lover. Gentlemen, make sure that you have an intruder before you fire a shot in the dark.

Florida Man Mistakenly Shoots Fiancee - ABC News (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=8807081)


Florida Man Shoots Fiance By Accident | WJBF (http://www2.wjbf.com/jbf/news/national/article/florida_man_shoots_fiance_by_accident/30556/)

My daughter is living with my parents for a couple of weeks while she is in the process of moving (she is 24). I asked my father to take the rounds out of his gun while she is there. My concern was they have not had anyone else living with them for over 10 years and if she came home late one night would he remember.