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TheMalcolmConnection 04-19-2007, 03:02 PM Right.
While I don't know how I feel either way. Just for a second imagine that handguns were made totally illegal in this country, do you think that deaths go UP or DOWN? Sure, people can say that they'll just use other things, but it's a lot easier to run from a knife than a gun.
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 04-19-2007, 03:02 PM There is a pretty big difference between giving everyone the right to a musket and the right to an AK.
I would be all for limiting the right to bear arms to muskets. The laughs alone at watching someone try to commit a robbery, murder with a musket would be priceless.
GhettoDogAllStars 04-19-2007, 03:03 PM Well, short of sounding like I live in a cabin in Wyoming working on my manifesto, our founding fathers discussed that same topic concerning the very government they themselves formed.
Governments made up of men are always capable of evil. Not saying we are at that point yet, but the 2nd amendment was instituted so that the citizens would always have the capacity to overthrow their government.
Thomas Jefferson said that the tree of liberty must be freshened from time to time with the blood of tyrants. That concept was never meant to be so foreign.
Wow, it's so refreshing to hear you say that. Most people think I'm crazy, or stupid, when I say things like that. You are a true patriot.
This is kind of off-topic, but I felt it was appropriate to say, given the nature of the discussion:
I would like to create a "people's army". This army would not be controlled by any government agency, and its focus would not be armed conflict. The focus of this army would be to prepare themselves to take power from the federal government at a moment's notice. Since the government derives most of its power from money, the people's army would focus there. I imagine that this army would be comprised mostly of computer experts who would always have their hands in the government's business. They would break into federal computer networks, and always be ready to strike. If the time came, they would start draining money out of government accounts.
The major effect of this army would be the increased caution of the federal government. You see, the idea is to never have to use the army. The idea is to make the government think twice about infringing on the people's liberties, due to their concern about how the people's army might react.
It's a crazy idea, and it would probably never work, but that is what I would like to see happen.
TheMalcolmConnection 04-19-2007, 03:04 PM I can just see someone rolling up into a bank with a ski mask on, Davy Crockett hat and a musket.
Can you imagine cops running down the street chasing criminals while they're re-loading their muskets like in the final scenes of Last of the Mohicans??!!
TheMalcolmConnection 04-19-2007, 03:07 PM Wow, it's so refreshing to hear you say that. Most people think I'm crazy, or stupid, when I say things like that. You are a true patriot.
This is kind of off-topic, but I felt it was appropriate to say, given the nature of the discussion:
I would like to create a "people's army". This army would not be controlled by any government agency, and its focus would not be armed conflict. The focus of this army would be to prepare themselves to take power from the federal government at a moment's notice. Since the government derives most of its power from money, the people's army would focus there. I imagine that this army would be comprised mostly of computer experts who would always have their hands in the government's business. They would break into federal computer networks, and always be ready to strike. If the time came, they would start draining money out of government accounts.
The major effect of this army would be the increased caution of the federal government. You see, the idea is to never have to use the army. The idea is to make the government think twice about infringing on the people's liberties, due to their concern about how the people's army might react.
It's a crazy idea, and it would probably never work, but that is what I would like to see happen.
You said it yourself. Not to take anything away from your post, but I would think that sheer numbers alone of the public keeps the government in check. We ARE a People's Army and if the government were to all of a sudden try to suppress it's people by force, I don't think that most of the people IN said army are going to go along with it.
Another can you imagine scenario:
If our founding fathers could see us today what do you think they would say?
Something tells me they would think we are idiots with the way we cling so literally to the Constitution that was written for a completely different time.
TheMalcolmConnection 04-19-2007, 03:09 PM Yup. The language was intentionally left vague so it could stand the test of time.
GhettoDogAllStars 04-19-2007, 03:11 PM You said it yourself. Not to take anything away from your post, but I would think that sheer numbers alone of the public keeps the government in check. We ARE a People's Army and if the government were to all of a sudden try to suppress it's people by force, I don't think that most of the people IN said army are going to go along with it.
True. However, it's not about suppression by force. Nobody would stand for that. The federal government has slowly taken away liberties since its creation. That is what I would like to see stop.
GhettoDogAllStars 04-19-2007, 03:14 PM Another can you imagine scenario:
If our founding fathers could see us today what do you think they would say?
Something tells me they would think we are idiots with the way we cling so literally to the Constitution that was written for a completely different time.
I believe they would think we are wimps, and not true patriots. Most people don't care about government infringement as long as they have their Mercedes and Starbucks.
At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation, a lady asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy?"
Franklin replied, "A Republic, if you can keep it."
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