The downside to trading down.

* He said this year's first round talent isn't as good as last year's star-studded first round.

"There's not much difference between the guy that goes 45 and the guy that goes 25," he said. "There are going to be some guys that go in the first round that aren't necessarily worthy."

Since not many people responded, I thought maybe hearing it from the biggest draft guru on the planet might stir up some less one sided debate. I still say we need more picks, but we also need to be sure that we land one of these two guys:

* He is high on LSU safety LaRon Landry -- Kiper's mock draft has the Redskins taking Landry.

"He should be a Pro Bowl caliber player," he said. "He'll be better than Roy Williams, no question."

* Kiper is also high on Louisville defensive tackle Amobi Okoye, another player on the Redskins' radar screen.

"You see a lot of the same qualities in Okoye that you do in Calvin Johnson -- tremendously mature and productive week in and week out," he said. "Athletically and strength-wise, he's what you want."

We must have one of these two players sitting at our position. If they are both there at six I would take a 3rd, 4th or perhaps even a fifth rounder to move down a spot. Best case is that one of the QB's is there as well. We can't get too greedy about what we get back. We need one of those two and a pick if possible. We cannot settle for less. If we trade too far down we are really setting up for an overpaid second round talent who gets paid first round money. Unacceptable.

No, no, no...Either we get Okoye / Gaines Adams, or we trade WAY down. Landry is not the answer for the Skins.

I would'nt mind trading down, best scenario if Quinn or Russell fell to #6, highly unlikely but thats where we'd get the most, many teams would be willing to give up a lot.

I would'nt mind trading down, best scenario if Quinn or Russell fell to #6, highly unlikely but thats where we'd get the most, many teams would be willing to give up a lot.


This is why I try to stay away from draft day comments, cause we do not need a Russell or a Quinn...that would be a waste of a pick unless we planned to trade them.
We have glaring needs, and we need the draft to address these needs.
Not that it matters, but neither of those 2 will be available.

The fact of the matter is nobody knows if the talent is good in the draft or not. There are always good players in every draft and the good organizations are gonna find them. I gaurentee you Ozzie Newsome won't have any problems finding players. Vinny Cerrato might find it hard.

No, no, no...Either we get Okoye / Gaines Adams, or we trade WAY down. Landry is not the answer for the Skins.

If we trade WAY down, it better be all the way out of the first round. I'm telling you, based on very legit sources, this draft doesn't have a full stock of first round talents. Getting a late first is a terrible move unless it is part of a trade that gets us a BUNCH of seconds, thirds and fourths. For instance, if we got a late first and a second, we have the potential to shell out a lot of cash and have a couple of scrubs in return. Landry is the best athlete IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF LOUISIANA. He will not bust barring injury and he will be a first year starter and projects as a pro bowler. He will help out our entire back seven, allow ST to roam/headhunt, and take pressure off our cornerbacks.

We're going to have our pick of these two. We should at least expect one of them. The DL is in need of some serious attention, I don't deny it, but you can't fix everything in one offseason and passing up on BPA's for need in the NFL draft is crazy talk unless it means us taking Peterson which would be ridiculous. If they wanted a full slate of draft picks they should have thought about it before being complete ass clowns the last couple years. Gains Adams is the next best option IMO. There are questions about how he'd fit in with us, that's why he worries me so high. But if they trade WAY down as you say, there will be no Adams, no Carriker, no Okoye, no Branch, no Landry. If this was a different type of draft, then trading down to the end of the round would be a great idea. This is not the draft to drop out of the top 14 or so. We can't afford to spend first day money on undeserving chumps and projects.

I am hoping for Landry more and more now just to prove all these haters wrong. Like I've been saying, IF we take LL and the team still sucks, there's always 2008. LL is worth top dollar in terms of talent, the question is does he translate into wins? As far as I can see, our success depends more on JC than anyone we draft. If JC plays well, I'll take a LL and ST lead D into any building in the league, and I'll be damn confident too. We'll see what we do. Whatever it is, I am on record as saying it doesn't look good late first round of this draft. Private message me in three years if I'm wrong.

I love the NFL, baseball season is starting up, the NBA playoffs are about to begin, and I just googled hockey and apparently there's some league called the NHL that has playoffs going on right now. I think their games are on Oxygen right after a replay of Oprah.

Anyways, the last time I recall us getting a first round talent in the second round said wideout tore his labrum tying his shoes in his first year, and I think he sprained all three of his knee ligaments when he stepped out of a cab going to the Cherry Blossom Festival in year two. I swear I'm not normally this negative...

If we had a scouting department worth a crap then we would be able to find some players who could excel in our system.

How in the world is there a downside to trading down? You can either get 1 Football player or you can get 2. I like the idea of two, yeah, yeah, I think 2 is better than 1.

If we trade WAY down, it better be all the way out of the first round. I'm telling you, based on very legit sources, this draft doesn't have a full stock of first round talents. Getting a late first is a terrible move unless it is part of a trade that gets us a BUNCH of seconds, thirds and fourths. For instance, if we got a late first and a second, we have the potential to shell out a lot of cash and have a couple of scrubs in return. Landry is the best athlete IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF LOUISIANA. He will not bust barring injury and he will be a first year starter and projects as a pro bowler. He will help out our entire back seven, allow ST to roam/headhunt, and take pressure off our cornerbacks.

We're going to have our pick of these two. We should at least expect one of them. The DL is in need of some serious attention, I don't deny it, but you can't fix everything in one offseason and passing up on BPA's for need in the NFL draft is crazy talk unless it means us taking Peterson which would be ridiculous. If they wanted a full slate of draft picks they should have thought about it before being complete ass clowns the last couple years. Gains Adams is the next best option IMO. There are questions about how he'd fit in with us, that's why he worries me so high. But if they trade WAY down as you say, there will be no Adams, no Carriker, no Okoye, no Branch, no Landry. If this was a different type of draft, then trading down to the end of the round would be a great idea. This is not the draft to drop out of the top 14 or so. We can't afford to spend first day money on undeserving chumps and projects.

I am hoping for Landry more and more now just to prove all these haters wrong. Like I've been saying, IF we take LL and the team still sucks, there's always 2008. LL is worth top dollar in terms of talent, the question is does he translate into wins? As far as I can see, our success depends more on JC than anyone we draft. If JC plays well, I'll take a LL and ST lead D into any building in the league, and I'll be damn confident too. We'll see what we do. Whatever it is, I am on record as saying it doesn't look good late first round of this draft. Private message me in three years if I'm wrong.

Well, my projections have Gaines Adams going 2nd or 3rd. Not that I'm an expert, but I just don't see him being there when we draft. That will leave Okoye and Landry. While I do like Landry...what's not to like...I think Okoye is the better option. This kid is amazingly talented and he's only 19. How do we even know Landry would fit into our secondary...I mean we did break a once all pro AA.
I just don't put much stock into people saying it's "thin" after a certain amount of players are gone. There have been 4th / 5th / 6th rounders that have become all pro's and some hall of famers. And who is to say that we won't trade our first rounder for a 1st rounder in 08 and a first rounder in 09 or something like that? There are a million options.
Who knows...you may be right...but why convince us? We don't make the decisions. We (the Redskins) may make a horrible choice in our draft pick...it wouldn't be the first time.

How in the world is there a downside to trading down? You can either get 1 Football player or you can get 2. I like the idea of two, yeah, yeah, I think 2 is better than 1.

depends on how far we go down

How in the world is there a downside to trading down? You can either get 1 Football player or you can get 2. I like the idea of two, yeah, yeah, I think 2 is better than 1.

Well you can get 1 Pro-Bowler (Okoye) or two starters that might pan out. Tommie Harris is greater than Tank Johnson and Bernard Berrian. Remember in 2003 when the Cardinals traded down from 6 to 17 and 18. At 6 they could have taken Kevin Williams, Terrance Newman, Jordan Gross, Byron Leftwich, Terrell Suggs, or Marcus Trufant. Instead they ended up with Calvin Pace and Bryant Johnson.

Then again nothings a gurantee as far as the drafts concerned. I say stay pat a 6 and take Okoye, or trade down to 12 and take Cariker. Other than that keep all of next years pick. Usually when theres a bad draft then you can be fairly confident that the next one will be loaded with talent.