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hagams 04-16-2007, 01:56 PM Last year, we lost too many games, and this is something we all know. Since I've joined this site (not that long ago) I have learned and heard just about every reason we didn't pull out more wins last year. One thing I haven't seen discussed is how we couldn't hold on to a lead in the second half, or score/hold the oppenents on key drives. Our discussions have been about free agents, trades, and the draft. I'm pretty concerned about this and I wish I had the figures to back up my thread, but I'm not any good at getting stats together.
Do you think we have addressed these problems? I don't think this is something we can fix just through the draft and free angency alone.
GTripp0012 04-16-2007, 02:14 PM Last year, we lost too many games, and this is something we all know. Since I've joined this site (not that long ago) I have learned and heard just about every reason we didn't pull out more wins last year. One thing I haven't seen discussed is how we couldn't hold on to a lead in the second half, or score/hold the oppenents on key drives. Our discussions have been about free agents, trades, and the draft. I'm pretty concerned about this and I wish I had the figures to back up my thread, but I'm not any good at getting stats together.
Do you think we have addressed these problems? I don't think this is something we can fix just through the draft and free angency alone.Well, Hagams, I see where you are coming from, but try looking at it from this angle:
Each football game that's ever been played is unique in and of itself. One of the great things about the sport is that a lot of crazy, fun stuff can happen, and for no good reason. A lot of what goes on in football games is just random functions of dumb luck, and the unlucky team just has to overcome. Such is the world of football, and all sports even.
Were their occurences where we gave up a lead last year? Certainly. Did we usually fail to score when we needed it and also fail to hold our oppenents when we needed it? Of course. Does this mean we have an inherent team issue with either of these things? Not at all.
A football season is only 16 games long, so its tough to say the luck will even out. We certainly overcame Dallas and Jacksonville in dramatic fashion, and got some timely luck against Carolina and New Orleans. So it wasn't all bad. Just give it 16 more games. I promise the chances of 2006 repeating itself for us are astronomical.
Just because something happened once or twice does not give us reason to expect it will ever happen again.
Schneed10 04-16-2007, 03:06 PM Yeah I think we could say that we had trouble holding a lead at times, but there were also plenty of other games where we had trouble coming from behind. The 21-19 loss to Philly sticks out in my mind. With about 6 minutes left and down 21-16, we have 3rd & goal on the Eagles' 8 yard line. Jason Campbell takes a sack and a loss of 8 yards, we settle for a field goal, and lose as the Eagles never gave the ball back to us.
That game embodies a lot of what went wrong for us last year. You could say we weren't very efficient with red zone offense, as Campbell failed to get us a TD on that possession against Philly. But our Red Zone problems existed in the first 3 quarters of the game just as much as in the 4th quarter. You could say we were horrible at stopping the run, which was embodied by the Eagles pounding us to run the last 5 minutes off the clock. But we all know we couldn't stop the run at any point in the game (Tiki, anyone?).
Remember when Archuleta got torched by Witten at the end of the Dallas game, which by all rights the Cowboys should have won? That doesn't mean we have problems with our coverage in the clutch. We just had problems with our coverage, period. You certainly remember that.
We didn't have a problem with sucking in the 4th quarter. We had a problem with sucking, period. GW needs some schematic adjustments, we need some healthier players, we need better completion % from Campbell, we need to run more effectively in the red zone, we need to be stronger up front against the run. We have a lot of deficiencies, but it has nothing to do with what quarter it is.
GTripp0012 04-16-2007, 03:14 PM We didn't have a problem with sucking in the 4th quarter. We had a problem with sucking, period. GW needs some schematic adjustments, we need some healthier players, we need better completion % from Campbell, we need to run more effectively in the red zone, we need to be stronger up front against the run. We have a lot of deficiencies, but it has nothing to do with what quarter it is.Well said as usual.
We also need better blocking in power on power running situations, we have a tendency to lose those.
Daseal 04-16-2007, 03:19 PM I have always felt that one of Gibbs biggest problems on his return is being too passive when it comes down to it. He feels like two scores is enough to start running the ball three times and punting. In this league even two touchdowns in the 3rd quarter isn't near impossible to come back on. We seem to always try to make our defense hold the other team rather than scoring and making it that much more difficult.
GoSkins! 04-16-2007, 03:21 PM Last year, we lost too many games, and this is something we all know. Since I've joined this site (not that long ago) I have learned and heard just about every reason we didn't pull out more wins last year. One thing I haven't seen discussed is how we couldn't hold on to a lead in the second half, or score/hold the oppenents on key drives. Our discussions have been about free agents, trades, and the draft. I'm pretty concerned about this and I wish I had the figures to back up my thread, but I'm not any good at getting stats together.
Do you think we have addressed these problems? I don't think this is something we can fix just through the draft and free angency alone.
I think that what you are saying is true, and what the cause was a lack of depth defensively and a lack experience offensively. Primarily, we struggled when our defense field units without Springs, Griffith, Salavea, or Washington. Most of the time, at least 2 of the 4 were out or playing hurt. Combine that with the bad luck of having every turnover bounce right to the other team and you have a recipe for disaster. Without the injuries and turnovers I can easily see us winning the Minnesota, Tennessee, Atlanta, and 2nd Giants game. Except for the Giants game, the others were all lost in the second half.
GTripp0012 04-16-2007, 03:22 PM I have always felt that one of Gibbs biggest problems on his return is being too passive when it comes down to it. He feels like two scores is enough to start running the ball three times and punting. In this league even two touchdowns in the 3rd quarter isn't near impossible to come back on. We seem to always try to make our defense hold the other team rather than scoring and making it that much more difficult.Maybe the coaching is fine. Maybe the defense just sucks and gives up big leads with ease?
Is Gibbs also telling his RB's to not get the first downs with the lead? Is he also telling his QB to not complete passes so that they can stop the clock and be forced to punt?
airsoftking 04-16-2007, 03:23 PM We had too many quick 4th down situation last year, especially with mark brunell.
GTripp0012 04-16-2007, 03:25 PM We had too many quick 4th down situation last year, especially with mark brunell.We had a lot more three and outs with Campbell. Like, near double.
Beemnseven 04-16-2007, 05:30 PM Maybe the coaching is fine. Maybe the defense just sucks and gives up big leads with ease?
Is Gibbs also telling his RB's to not get the first downs with the lead? Is he also telling his QB to not complete passes so that they can stop the clock and be forced to punt?
I think the thought is that Gibbs in many ways seems more conservative in his philosophy.
There were times when we were either clinging to a slim lead or trailing just before halftime and Gibbs would call draw plays with more than a minute left and a couple of time-outs left. Or going for field goals when he should have gone for it on fourth down.
Certainly Gibbs doesn't call for incomplete passes or running plays that fail to reach the down-marker. No one's implying that. But there is a clear difference in his overall game time decision-making that is not now what it used to be.
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