Interesting mock draft

Stupid for who we would take at those spots.

Everyone thinks all you have to do is draft a player at a position of need and you have filled that need, not so! Take a look at last off season, and we still have a need for a pass rusher, and a safety, why?

Draft the best available player, we have so many holes to fill because of our stupidity, it would be just like us to trade down get 2 players who are average at best, and the Pats walk away with a perenial pro-bowler. The question must be asked, if the Pats are indeed willing to make this trade, why? Why not keep the picks and draft these players themselves? The one team that has proven to may be the best team in the NFL at spotting talent, is willing to give up 2 #1 picks to draft Landry, why?

So with a defensive line that needs a run stuffer and a pass rusher, why would it be stupid to take two first round talents to fill them as opposed to betting the ranch that one guy is going to make a difference?

How do you know that the Pats are going to pick Landry?

Since offensive and defensive success is predicated on line play, you can't honestly think the Redskins defense would be better off taking a rookie safety over two defensive linemen. If you do, you need one of Al Koken's virtual physicals.

Why do the Eagles only draft linemen with their first round picks year in and year out? Because it makes sense.

I just don't see this draft going that way. First C.Johnson just might be the Raiders first pick. If that happens look for Russell to go to the Lions. Then who knows what happens. Sitting three the Browns could take a QB or RB in Quinn or Peterson. If it is Peterson then look for the Buc's to move down with a trade with Miami so the Dolphins get thier QB. But if the the Browns take Quinn and who could blame them with Frye and Anderson as your QB the Buc's would be left holding the bag! I really don't know what the Browns will do! But what ever they do it will have us all watching because then teams will wanted to move up to get Quinn like Miami [if they Fins don't pick up Green before the draft]. That is if the Browns go with Peterson. If they[Browns] go Quinn then Peterson is left there TB may trade out to a team like the Vikings maybe? TB may just go with G.Adams DE for that matter. What ever happens if Al Davis throws everthing out the window and gets Johnson it could be very fun first few hours on saturday.

Everyone thinks all you have to do is draft a player at a position of need and you have filled that need, not so! Take a look at last off season, and we still have a need for a pass rusher, and a safety, why?

The Lions didn't NEED all those wide receivers, but their philosophy was to take the best players available. How'd that work out?

We have gaping holes with the pass rush and run stoppers up front. You think we should just ignore that and draft Adrian Peterson?

I would like this trade if we are sure we can get some guys that we like on our draft board. I personally am a big fan of Ben Grubbs the OG from Auburn. He wouls be an upgrade over Doc. I'm sure of it. That guy has a high motor and put 225 40 times at the combine. He would be a steal at 28.

Now at 21 I like Justin Harrell but there also could be a DE there to. I have been saying I would like this trade to go down since we brought up trying to trade for Samuel ( who we don't need at this point). Now the question is how do you make up the 200 or 300 draft value points, and to be honest I don;t have an answer because I don't see the Pats coming off more picks unless they really think Landry is the missing piece or really put alot of value on finding Harrison's replacement.

You know to actually make this trade work as far as the 'Draft Value Chart' the Pats would have to include both of their #1's (24 and 28) (740pts and 660pts) as well as their #3 (91) (136pts) AND their #4 (127) (45pts). Which would bring them to 1581, which would still if you want to get really technical leave them 19 pts short of the #6 value of 1600 ... which they could make up by including their compensatory pick in the 5th round (171) (23pts).

So ...

To actual satisfy the value as dictated by the draft value chart the Pats would have to give the Skins their two firsts, their third, fourth, and fifth round picks. Which would leave the Pats with less draft picks than the Skins currently hold (the Pats have no #2). Obviously the value chart is a guide, but if it shows you how valuable the #6 pick is and how jealously the Skins ought to guard it if they really want to get proper value in return.

I don't, however, forsee Roger Goodell saying ...

"We have a trade ... the Patriots move to #6, in return the Redskins receive picks #24, #28, #91, #127, and #171." I guess you could talk about picks in future years, but man this would be a complicated trade.

That would be awsome if that happend. Lions fans have to be even more hyped.

So with a defensive line that needs a run stuffer and a pass rusher, why would it be stupid to take two first round talents to fill them as opposed to betting the ranch that one guy is going to make a difference?

How do you know that the Pats are going to pick Landry?

Since offensive and defensive success is predicated on line play, you can't honestly think the Redskins defense would be better off taking a rookie safety over two defensive linemen. If you do, you need one of Al Koken's virtual physicals.

Why do the Eagles only draft linemen with their first round picks year in and year out? Because it makes sense.

Well first off if you would pay attention they are not first round talent, they are second round talent, so it would be stupid to take them in the forst round, but of coarse that is are MO we over pay for talent.

Second if you would pay attention the article refering to this trade said they would probaly move up to take Landry to take over for Harrison.

But does it really matter who they move up and take? If they do move up it's because they see more value with 1 player than with 2!

Please don't compare our personel department with the eagles, as they will actually draft a player that belongs in the first round. But part of the reason they draft lineman is because of there ability to draft other players later in the draft, example Westbrook, we give up the farm for Portis, they take Westbrook later in the draft and he becomes every bit as valuable if not more to them for minimal $, then Portis is for us at 52 million. That is why they can draft lineman, we are not that savvy.

So in closing by all means draft these 2 guys just like we had to give up a #2 this draft for Rocky. Having a need and properly filling it are 2 totally differnet things.

The Lions didn't NEED all those wide receivers, but their philosophy was to take the best players available. How'd that work out?

We have gaping holes with the pass rush and run stoppers up front. You think we should just ignore that and draft Adrian Peterson?

Did they take the best player available? OBVIOUSLY NOT!

They took big Mike Williams funny right before that draft we were conteplating taking him and I said he could be a huge bust he was to slow of foot getting off the line, funny they couldn't see it? So the fact is they have the right philosophy but have no idea how to impliment it because of thier inability to evaluate talent.

Why would we draft Peterson? Portis is better right?:rofl:

But we should draft CJ if he's available, even though we are stocked at WR from last season's spending binge. CJ is a can't miss barring injury!

How did our pick of Rocky work out last draft? Apparently we still need a LB. And that's what this is about if you can't fill that need with a bonified stud [pro-bowler] at the 6 spot then fill another need!

I don't mind trading down, but we better trade down for the right players!

I would like this trade if we are sure we can get some guys that we like on our draft board. I personally am a big fan of Ben Grubbs the OG from Auburn. He wouls be an upgrade over Doc. I'm sure of it. That guy has a high motor and put 225 40 times at the combine. He would be a steal at 28.

Now at 21 I like Justin Harrell but there also could be a DE there to. I have been saying I would like this trade to go down since we brought up trying to trade for Samuel ( who we don't need at this point). Now the question is how do you make up the 200 or 300 draft value points, and to be honest I don;t have an answer because I don't see the Pats coming off more picks unless they really think Landry is the missing piece or really put alot of value on finding Harrison's replacement.

I am with you on that, I do not want Harrell in the first, but either Grubbs or Blalock I think we have a huge need for, I said in a earlier post as well as SS, Blalock and Moss, but I would be happy with Grubbs and Moss, but I think we have glossed over the importance of the need for a OG, give me one of those 2 guards and either Moss or Carricker. that would be nice.

Did they take the best player available? OBVIOUSLY NOT!

They took big Mike Williams funny right before that draft we were conteplating taking him and I said he could be a huge bust he was to slow of foot getting off the line, funny they couldn't see it? So the fact is they have the right philosophy but have no idea how to impliment it because of thier inability to evaluate talent.

Why would we draft Peterson? Portis is better right?:rofl:

But we should draft CJ if he's available, even though we are stocked at WR from last season's spending binge. CJ is a can't miss barring injury!

How did our pick of Rocky work out last draft? Apparently we still need a LB. And that's what this is about if you can't fill that need with a bonified stud [pro-bowler] at the 6 spot then fill another need!

I don't mind trading down, but we better trade down for the right players!

We don't know about Rocky yet, but in my opinion, it doesn't look promising. But your criticism of that pick can be used with the Mike Williams example -– you have to separate the philosophy of drafting for need from player evaluation.

A team can ignore their needs, draft what they perceive to be the best player available and still whiff on a player because their evaluation was wrong.

But what you clearly can't do is draft the best player available regardless of the makeup of your current roster – San Diego wouldn't draft a running back, Indy wouldn't make a huge swing for a quarterback, and neither would we when we have to consider the development of Jason Campbell, salary cap constraints, and the obvious understanding that there is only one ball to go around on every single play.

If your team is completely stocked, and you have no glaring needs at any one position, I could fully understand drafting the best guy on the board when you pick.

We have zero pass rush, and we could not stop the run last year. It would be madness for us to take Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson because Quinn would never see the field, and Peterson would never see the ball.