Maske/JLC: Gibbs Hints Redskins Might Trade Up

Im actually loving all of this. Last year we get Lloyd, Randel el, Archuleta and Carter and everyone is raving oh my god the FO office is great and jumps on their d**k. Then the season comes, we blow, everyone jumps off, and the bitching and moaning begins. This year I hope they do the one thing that everyone hates the most which looks like getting Briggs or CJ. Then we kick a** this year, make the playoffs, and everybody climbs back on Mr.Winky.

So you're enjoying the comedy as much as I am?

People are retarded, football, politics, whatever it may be... one of the great truths of life is just that. We're all retarded.

In my book, these two posts deserve consideration for post of the year. Not to mention they were back to back. :goodjob:

I'm not advocating the deal I'm just saying the market has been set for LBs and $20M guaranteed is not out of line for a player of Briggs' caliber. The guaranteed money for corners is now even higher thanks to Clements.

I'd like to see the DL addressed as well, but the offseason is far from over so I'm not going to get too crazy just yet.

Hopefully all these rumors are smokescreens and the team addresses DL and depth across the board. I do think though that a lot of the salaries escalated out of control this offseason and hopefully it was caused more by the availability of cap space than "salary inflation".

The one thing that everyone must take into consideration is that if we do stay at the 6th slot we are basically are on the hook of paying around $15 million in guranteed money to that player. Accroding to Sportstalk 980 today Vernon Davis who was picked 6th last year got about $14.5 million in guranteed money and Pac Man Jones the year before was not too far off this amount as well. To me if we can somehow pull off a trade down and pick up multiple picks it would not only bolster our chances at building depth but vastly help with the salary cap.

gmanc, good post. no matter who says what, there is no such thing as a sure thing. and this is the first time i can ever remember the redskins playing the draft game the right way. letting all the other teams think that they want everyone. does anyone, other then the skins front office, have a clue to who they really want?

I'm not quite sure the FO even knows? That's whats scarry.
If they do this is a GRAMMY PERFORMANCE.

cause outside of moss and cooley,.........they suck!!!!!!!!!!!! brandon lloyd was a bust, was benched in the middle of the season, and randle el is a 3rd at best, hell in pittsburg he was the third option!!!!!!! hell i package el, lloyd, 6pick and next year 1st rounder on this kid,.........he is a cant miss!
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I wouldn't mind getting rid of Lloyd, seeing as how I hate his soul, but I think we're a pretty run-heavy team in the first place so we won't be relying on our 3rd string receiver anyways.

With that being said, I definitely wouldn't ditch ARE, he's a damn good punt returner, a gadget guy, and he brings versatility no-matter what he's doing, not to mention he's a quality guy in the locker room.


I think getting Calvin Johnson would be like swatting a bunch of gnats with a shot-gun, seems like some over-kill. We'll rely on Portis and Betts in this offense. Remember, run the ball and stop the run.

When the safeties start to cheat up, Mr. Campbell's divine arm will pass to Moss/Cooley/ARE/Betts/Portis/ who cares... We've got weapons, we don't need any more on offense.

Why don't we instead worry about what has plagued us, and will almost definitely plague us next year. Defensive line. I think we've said it enough, but you dreamers out there keep on dreamin'.

Just say no to Calvin Johnson. It makes zero sense.

The most recently rumored to deal, according to Washington Post Live show, is to Cleveland to leap from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to get C Johnson.

The deal includes the 6th overall, Ladell Betts, and our recently acquired 6th round pick for the 3rd overall and a 3rd round pick. Cleveland needs a RB, so the BEtts addition would help them out.

I dont think its a bad deal. WE get a stellar athlete with great upside and work ethic, and we get a 3rd round pick in the deal to draft a DT/DE/RB.

Just imagine Calvin Johnson to one side, Santana Moss to the other, and Antwaan Ranldle El working the slot. This move could accelerate the growth of Jason Campbell. The 3rd round pick is up for grabs too.

If this went down I'd always think that we should go with what we need, but taking a player like Calvin Johnson, I would not be mad at that!

The most recently rumored to deal, according to Washington Post Live show, is to Cleveland to leap from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to get C Johnson.

The deal includes the 6th overall, Ladell Betts, and our recently acquired 6th round pick for the 3rd overall and a 3rd round pick. Cleveland needs a RB, so the BEtts addition would help them out.

I dont think its a bad deal. WE get a stellar athlete with great upside and work ethic, and we get a 3rd round pick in the deal to draft a DT/DE/RB.

Just imagine Calvin Johnson to one side, Santana Moss to the other, and Antwaan Ranldle El working the slot. This move could accelerate the growth of Jason Campbell. The 3rd round pick is up for grabs too.

If this went down I'd always think that we should go with what we need, but taking a player like Calvin Johnson, I would not be mad at that!


uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no dont get rid of betts at all and why trade up i thought the point was to acquire more picks not lose them

100%PURE SETTLE THE HELL DOWN

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Lloyd, seeing as how I hate his soul, but I think we're a pretty run-heavy team in the first place so we won't be relying on our 3rd string receiver anyways.

With that being said, I definitely wouldn't ditch ARE, he's a damn good punt returner, a gadget guy, and he brings versatility no-matter what he's doing, not to mention he's a quality guy in the locker room.


I think getting Calvin Johnson would be like swatting a bunch of gnats with a shot-gun, seems like some over-kill. We'll rely on Portis and Betts in this offense. Remember, run the ball and stop the run.

When the safeties start to cheat up, Mr. Campbell's divine arm will pass to Moss/Cooley/ARE/Betts/Portis/ who cares... We've got weapons, we don't need any more on offense.

Why don't we instead worry about what has plagued us, and will almost definitely plague us next year. Defensive line. I think we've said it enough, but you dreamers out there keep on dreamin'.

Just say no to Calvin Johnson. It makes zero sense.

Well said. Run the ball and stop the run. We don't need flashy names at every position. We were 4th in the league rushing last year with Portis either dinged up or out the entire time. The passing game will only get better. We've signed some depth to the Oline. NOW WE NEED TO STOP THE FRIGGIN RUN!! We've made an effort to bolster the Dbacks and LBs, to me at this point the only logical place to go is the defensive line.

100%PURE SETTLE THE HELL DOWN

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Lloyd, seeing as how I hate his soul, but I think we're a pretty run-heavy team in the first place so we won't be relying on our 3rd string receiver anyways.

With that being said, I definitely wouldn't ditch ARE, he's a damn good punt returner, a gadget guy, and he brings versatility no-matter what he's doing, not to mention he's a quality guy in the locker room.


I think getting Calvin Johnson would be like swatting a bunch of gnats with a shot-gun, seems like some over-kill. We'll rely on Portis and Betts in this offense. Remember, run the ball and stop the run.

When the safeties start to cheat up, Mr. Campbell's divine arm will pass to Moss/Cooley/ARE/Betts/Portis/ who cares... We've got weapons, we don't need any more on offense.

Why don't we instead worry about what has plagued us, and will almost definitely plague us next year. Defensive line. I think we've said it enough, but you dreamers out there keep on dreamin'.

Just say no to Calvin Johnson. It makes zero sense.

gotcha big man! im sorry i just get so excited thinking about, how much we screwed up in FA and giving away drafts, but i settle down, your wish big baby? uh huh?

Just imagine Calvin Johnson to one side, Santana Moss to the other, and Antwaan Ranldle El working the slot. This move could accelerate the growth of Jason Campbell.Wait, what?!

First of all, I have no freaking clue how putting the BMOC from Georgia Tech on the LOS 5 yards from the sideline will improve how quickly Jason Campbell learns makes the correct reads at all. Seems to the ORP (ordinary reasonable person) that the only people who affect how Campbell makes his decisions are Campbell and the dudes blocking for Campbell. Order of football operations, man! The blockers have to do their jobs so that the passer can do his job so that the receivers can do their job. Every action of a foward pass since 1930 has occured in that order.

Playing with 3 scrubs for wideouts, Campbell would mature at exactly the same rate he would with Moss, Johnson, and Cooley. The Skins wouldn't score as many points, but that doesn't mean Campbell wouldn't be learning.

Secondly, that's a 3 WR set. I'm assuming you'd also have Cooley and Portis in the game. Well, you don't have a blocker at TE or FB, so the running potential is compromised.

I firmly believe that every passing offense has a ceiling based on it's 11 players. By theory of order of football operations, exchanging the role of one wideout for another is the WORST POSSIBLE WAY to increase that ceiling. Going to a 3 WR set with Johnson in decreases the average amount of time the protection will hold because theres one less guy there. So right off the bat, you are worse off. On top of that, your passing potential with Moss, Cooley and El is near maximum potential already. After all, you have ONE ball to go around. Moss and Cooley already don't get enough touches as is. Both have more value after the catch than Johnson. So in theory, taking catches away from those guys compromises your offensive potential.

So what's the only way to improve offensive potential? Split Randle El's and Lloyd's catches evenly among Johnson, Moss, and Cooley. So now, you've either orchestrated a trade up costing us Ladell Betts for a guy who (best case scenario) will be thrown to somewhere between 16-24 times next year. If he's some sort of god, he will catch 80% of those passes (No receiver caught more than 75% [T. Gonzales] of the passes thrown in their direction this year) and end up with 16-18 catches. Most likely he's just a very good college receiver, will catch around 63%, or 10 to 12 passes as a rookie.

He'd be labeled a bust. And that's giving Lloyd and El ZERO catches next year. So now you have a "bust" (who is actually just under utilized), and two VERY unhappy players behind him.

And that's a best case scenario. More than likely, bringing in Calvin Johnson will HURT our offense because he will steal catches from Moss and Cooley, both of whom are going to be better players at this point in their career. So the most likely outcome is that bringing in Calvin Johnson will hurt our offense next year.

Did I mention that while hurting our offense, we still have done nothing to bring ANY help to our pathetic defensive line?

The whole philosophy having multpile skilled targets in the passing game is that they will ALL be underutilized equally. Basically, spread the ball around and make it harder for the defense to defend us. But no matter how much you pass, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for ANY of the skilled targets to earn what he is making. There's just not enough chances to do so. And if the best player of the group is not getting as many catches as he reasonably can, you are hurting your offensive potential.

Moss and Cooley are both underutilized as is. Bringing in Calvin Johnson makes this underutilization more prevalant while costing us Ladell Betts and any chance to get D Line help.

Such a trade would be an unmittigated disaster. Randle El and Lloyd only make up a very small percentage of the offense. Using a top 10 pick to reassign that responsibility is an utter waste at best, grounds for firing all involved at worst.

What would we give up?? Other than Ladell Betts, I don't see where we have the type of quality depth to make a move like this, unless we mortgaged off MORE draft picks, which is just a horror to think of. And to get rid of Betts after his performance last year and Portis' injuries, would I'm sad to say, fit right into the type of lunacy I'm used to from this FO. Blech.