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offiss 03-23-2007, 05:34 PM If there's anything negative I can say about the current coaching staff, I think they place FAR too much emphasis on having players with experience.
- Williams is ALWAYS trying to find guys that have played in his system.
- Williams AND Gibbs are always wanting people who are VETS.
- Williams benches his rookies, no matter how they're drafting.
Outstanding point MC, and your dead on with that statement, it's as if they don't want to spend the time preparing inexperienced players and short cut that process with vets who are not as talented but more knowledegable.
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 03-23-2007, 06:31 PM - JC does look like he's going to do well but we did give up a good deal to get him
- CP was a great fit for our offense but we are wasting his talent by not surrounding him with a passing game (hopefully next year will be better) PLUS we did give up a pro-bowler and the best corner in the NFL in Champ
- Betts is great if we trade him but I don't think he will ever be able to carry the entire load under our offense...don't forget the fumbling issues
- Cartwright was probably the only under the radar guy that was picked up
- Cooley is great but as someone pointed out we gave up a LOT for him and they might let him leave to FA next year as well
- Santana Moss...let's not forget that our FO screwed up for a stretch there when we got Coles and he was a bust (this was the period when we were known as the jetskins and were a laughingstock)
- ARE is a great personality and player but has yet to prove that he was worth the money.
Almost all of your complaints address how much we paid players or how much we traded to get them. NONE of those arguments weigh in favor of firing Vinny.
I think if people wrote down a list of Vinny's job duties, and wrote down another list of what their gripes with the team are, they would find that the two lists have relatively little in common.
Rajmahal33 03-23-2007, 06:52 PM Almost all of your complaints address how much we paid players or how much we traded to get them. NONE of those arguments weigh in favor of firing Vinny.
I think if people wrote down a list of Vinny's job duties, and wrote down another list of what their gripes with the team are, they would find that the two lists have relatively little in common.
Well if the general manager and front office isn't in some way connected to how much we pay or trade away for players then who is? As i understand it Dan Snyder writes the checks, Gibbs/Coaching stafff determines who they want and ranks their needs, Cerrato/FO contacts player's agents, negotiates deals with them and makes decisions on whether a player or deal can go thru (basically doing the paperwork and crunching the numbers). Am I wrong (cuz I could be), I just always thought thats how it worked?
General manager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_manager#Sports_teams)
It's a little silly but thats the only link i could find about the duties of a general manager (if u scroll down to the bottom about sports teams its somewhat relevant). Now these exact duties may or may not be under Vinny's jurisdiction but i could find nothing else. It seems as if he is the man responsible for such things
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 03-23-2007, 07:08 PM Vinny is not the general manager and does not make GM-type decisions, although Vinny does tend to be blamed for any decisions made by the Redskins front office that GMs are expected to make.
TenandSix:Unacceptable 03-23-2007, 08:14 PM I think the talent acquisition on the team has been suspect durring the VC period. I honestly think the Redskins would be in better position if I was the dir ector of personel. A monkey could get the same success as Vinny has gotten. And although I do agree that it is Snyder and now Gibbs who tend to overpay, wouldnīt a good personel guy say, "donīt overpay such and such player, because of such and such reason", or really promote a more effective overall strategy. If Vinny doesn't know that our player acquisition system is flawed, then his judgement is flawed. If he does know and he doesn't step up to the plate and tell the Boss how to do it better, once again it seems to me that he is blameworthy.
Skinny Tee 03-23-2007, 08:22 PM Vinny is Danny's hand on the team. I don't think Danny is going to loosen his grip this offseason.
I was hoping that JaLa's article was accurate when he was predicting that the FO was going to be out after the draft.
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 03-23-2007, 08:34 PM I think the talent acquisition on the team has been suspect durring the VC period. I honestly think the Redskins would be in better position if I was the dir ector of personel. A monkey could get the same success as Vinny has gotten. And although I do agree that it is Snyder and now Gibbs who tend to overpay, wouldnīt a good personel guy say, "donīt overpay such and such player, because of such and such reason", or really promote a more effective overall strategy. If Vinny doesn't know that our player acquisition system is flawed, then his judgement is flawed. If he does know and he doesn't step up to the plate and tell the Boss how to do it better, once again it seems to me that he is blameworthy.
And if the Boss disagrees? Is he supposed to take his marbles and go home?
TenandSix:Unacceptable 03-23-2007, 09:18 PM And if the Boss disagrees? Is he supposed to take his marbles and go home?
And why would Vinny be so afraid of losing his job if he did have the sense and the cajones to speak up?
Because no one else would hire him, that's why. He doesn't bring much to the table and the rest of the league knows that.
And don't get me wrong, Snyder is very much responsible for keeping this parrot around. Gibbs is coming around because he knows how to adapt. Vinny is the NFL equivalent of an upper management corporate lackey in a company that ultimately sells a sub-par product due in large part to said lackeys incompetence.
SmootSmack 03-23-2007, 09:30 PM I think the talent acquisition on the team has been suspect durring the VC period. I honestly think the Redskins would be in better position if I was the dir ector of personel. A monkey could get the same success as Vinny has gotten. And although I do agree that it is Snyder and now Gibbs who tend to overpay, wouldnīt a good personel guy say, "donīt overpay such and such player, because of such and such reason", or really promote a more effective overall strategy. If Vinny doesn't know that our player acquisition system is flawed, then his judgement is flawed. If he does know and he doesn't step up to the plate and tell the Boss how to do it better, once again it seems to me that he is blameworthy.
So just to be clear, you think the talent is suspect or the means to acquire said talent?
Beemnseven 03-23-2007, 09:56 PM Vinny is not the general manager and does not make GM-type decisions, although Vinny does tend to be blamed for any decisions made by the Redskins front office that GMs are expected to make.
Here's a question Sheriff: What do you think Vinny's responsibilities are?
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