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I'm surprised that Springs doesn't want to stay in Washington, VERY surprised. He seems like such a Redskin guy... and I know Spring and ST have a good friendship and he helps him out a lot on the field.... hmmmmm...??? I don't like the idea of Bly coming on board if it means Springs must go. I don't like it at all.
Naturally, I've heard this stuff to. Why does he want to leave? He's a local boy.....went to Springbrook?
freddyg12 03-06-2007, 12:03 PM I think the real story here is why Springs want's out so badly? He is looking more and more like Champ when he wanted out. I think some of these guys see the direction of the Skins and become disconcerted about our ability to ever field a legitamate contender, we are like a revolving door for personel, an inferiour talent leaves, so an inferiour talent is brought in, and on it goes.
The only similarities here are that both wear #24 & that both were asked to play for what they felt is below their market value.
Don't give Springs too much credit in wanting to play for a winner, he wants to get paid while the market is hot, can't blame him.
Also can't blame him for being offended at being asked to take a pay cut. His salary isn't that huge compared to what guys are making this year in free agency. If the team can ask him to take a pay cut, why can't he ask the team to let him go?
Springs is a local guy & has been a team leader, I would much rather keep him for chemistry's sake than have Bly.
Bly is from Chesapeake, VA & that's part of the reason he wants to come to the Skins.
I hope they haven't pissed Springs off beyond repair to where he demands a trade. It's not good for the team when a popular guy leaves on bad terms. The Lavar situation was more complex, and he made it easier for the team to let him go cause he ran his mouth a lot, but Springs has been a model teamate from all I can see.
Right now it seems both sides are in a standoff; Springs wants to test the market but the Skins won't let him go, the skins want him to take a pay cut but he won't. If a trade isn't done around the draft, June 1 we may decide to let him go like coles (meaning taking the cap hit) if the situation is irreparable.
I hope Gibbs can smooth this over, but that will be hard after he's already asked him to take a cut.
Pocket$ $traight 03-06-2007, 12:09 PM I'm surprised that Springs doesn't want to stay in Washington, VERY surprised. He seems like such a Redskin guy... and I know Spring and ST have a good friendship and he helps him out a lot on the field.... hmmmmm...??? I don't like the idea of Bly coming on board if it means Springs must go. I don't like it at all.
Well if you rushed (or were pushed) back from an injury to your legs by the team and then they asked you to take less money the next year, would you be happy about it?
Here is my resolution. Pay Springs his salary this year. He will be playing for a contract because he knows it is essentially a contract year. Cut him next after we win the Super Bowl when the move would save us 5 million or so on the cap and fly in Bly (or a better UFA corner) next year on the first signing day!
Everybody wins!!!
hesscl34 03-06-2007, 12:09 PM The only similarities here are that both wear #24 & that both were asked to play for what they felt is below their market value.
Don't give Springs too much credit in wanting to play for a winner, he wants to get paid while the market is hot, can't blame him.
Also can't blame him for being offended at being asked to take a pay cut. His salary isn't that huge compared to what guys are making this year in free agency. If the team can ask him to take a pay cut, why can't he ask the team to let him go?
Springs is a local guy & has been a team leader, I would much rather keep him for chemistry's sake than have Bly.
Bly is from Chesapeake, VA & that's part of the reason he wants to come to the Skins.
I hope they haven't pissed Springs off beyond repair to where he demands a trade. It's not good for the team when a popular guy leaves on bad terms. The Lavar situation was more complex, and he made it easier for the team to let him go cause he ran his mouth a lot, but Springs has been a model teamate from all I can see.
Right now it seems both sides are in a standoff; Springs wants to test the market but the Skins won't let him go, the skins want him to take a pay cut but he won't. If a trade isn't done around the draft, June 1 we may decide to let him go like coles (meaning taking the cap hit) if the situation is irreparable.
I hope Gibbs can smooth this over, but that will be hard after he's already asked him to take a cut.
All I have to say to that is - THEN DON'T ASK HIM TO TAKE A CUT. Some players are worth whatever it takes to keep them around, and I think he's one of them.
mike340 03-06-2007, 12:25 PM Agreed. Springs has played most of all his seasons except for the last one where he got surgery just before the season. He'll be injured 2-3 games and around for the rest. Bly has only a year left, and if he really wants to be a Skin we can pick him up next year.
All I have to say to that is - THEN DON'T ASK HIM TO TAKE A CUT. Some players are worth whatever it takes to keep them around, and I think he's one of them.
freddyg12 03-06-2007, 12:53 PM All I have to say to that is - THEN DON'T ASK HIM TO TAKE A CUT. Some players are worth whatever it takes to keep them around, and I think he's one of them.
agreed, but the damage is done if not irreparable; they've already asked him to.
I think the prudent thing for Gibbs to do is 1) talk to him & reaffirm what he's telling us; that he expects Springs to play, and 2) pay him his salary if at all possible w/in the cap. Next year cut him if he's no longer worth it, but stay put for now.
I even think we'll have to do the same w/Wynn. These are not the guys we want to have disgruntled.
bigSkinsfan61 03-06-2007, 12:58 PM bly isn't bad... but i wonder what his contract figures would be. if we're trading springs for a more expensive contract, i'm not really sure that's a very good idea. i agree i dont think hea a upgrade i would see that as a lateral move but if the price is right and they decide to trade with pick or players we can use u never know
RobH4413 03-06-2007, 01:02 PM i agree i dont think hea a upgrade i would see that as a lateral move but if the price is right and they decide to trade with pick or players we can use u never know
The real difference is springs wants out. I really don't see Bly as that much of an upgrade (except that he is younger) and we're probably going to pay him alot of money (see clements).
I really don't know about bly's character. Is he a team kind of guy? If he's bitching already about being traded mabye that's a red flag.
Quite frankly, If he's an okay guy character wise, then I think it's a great move. Get a younger, less injury prone, corner that can force turnovers.
Seems like a swell plan.
Bly wants his Snyder payday, for that reason alone it makes me leary of bringing him in.
I think all Springs wants is to have a sense of job security. Let's face it we've been eyeballing other corners since the season ended. Gibbs has told him he's in our plans for this year, but we all know things can change on a dime if the right offer came along. I think once camp rolls around and he's still here, he won't be a problem.
Monkeydad 03-06-2007, 01:21 PM I'd rather have Springs. As Matty just said, I think Bly is just using the Skins as a pawn in his contract chess match. We have a great organization who a lot of players would like to be a part of (Smoot for example), but I don't see anything other than money motivating here, brought on by the perception that we're careless with our money. The media is to blame there, even when we are careful with our cash and aren't active in the market, like this season, we STILL get attacked for throwing money around and ruining the team by overpaying. Snyder has learned from his early mistakes and has been a great owner since the Smith/Deion experiment. Even Adam Archuleta was a good signing at the time, it filled a need with one of the best available players at the time...it's not Snyder's or Gibbs' fault that he decided not to show up on Sundays all year.
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