Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Threads

I think in retrospect Ramsey lacked a lot. Some his fault and some out of his control. What he had in passing skills he lacked in overall athletic ability and certainly never had what anyone could call a good situation. But without that athletic ability I think he never could have maximized his passing skills, in any situation, simply because so much of being a good NFL QB involves mustering your athletic ability to make plays and Ramsey just didn't have that.


I am in no means disagreeing with the Ramsey comments. But I dont recall Marino, Bledsoe, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Unitas, Stallback...on and on being great athletes. They could throw the ball. which Ramsey can surely do.

My thoughts are he played well in a year when Spurrier thought blocking was secondary to getting receivers down field. And absolute given no shot when Gibbs took over. 1st year in NY had to deal with Pennington being the man, never really given a shot. I think he can be a good..not great..QB. maybe get your team to the playoffs, not sure about a superbowl. But, Ramsey needs to be in a situation where he is THE MAN, where he doesn't need to look over his shoulder ever quarter.

Enough excuses... he needs to WIN A JOB OUTRIGHT, PERIOD. And so far in his 5 year NFL career he hasn't been able to do that. Good QBs in this league will play, the so-so ones ride the pine. What is so hard to understand about that?

You have to earn your shots in this league, nobody is given anything.

But I dont recall Marino, Bledsoe, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Unitas, Stallback...on and on being great athletes. They could throw the ball. which Ramsey can surely do.

Each one had more athletic ability. Each, as I remember, was able to move around the pocket and make time. Ramsey was a sitting target. Not once do I remember him sliding in the pocket or stepping up out of a collapsing pocket to create more time to make a play. In fact I distinctly remember watching Ramsey get sacked over and over again and not doing anything to avoid it. How many times did he drop back and just basically fall down as the guy got to him? Sometimes it even looked like a designed play...drop and fall down. Successful QBs do their fair share of sack avoidance and they use their atheltic abilities to do so. Peyton isn't any faster than Ramsey but he has good quick footwork and decent enough agility to use it to avoid maybe 10-15 sacks a year. Ramsey didn't ever show the agility to do it.

I've thought many times about Ramsey and why I liked him. Courage! The kid would take a hit and keep getting up.

It seems his strength was also his weakness. Not mobile in the pocket; held the ball too long; sometimes a poor decision (like no other QB ever did that).

I'm of the "Spurrier ruined him" school. Spurrier emphasized long ball. I don't think Ramsey was well schooled on precise, pro-style ball-control passing. Nor could he trust his coach, who was all too ready to pull him for Danny Woeful.

It says something when Joe Gibbs studies the tape and signs a new quarterback as his first personnel move. It says even more when you don't show enough to make #2 on the depth chart for the Jets.

We are better off without him. But the kid has courage and I hope he catches on somewhere.

1st year in NY had to deal with Pennington being the man, never really given a shot ... But, Ramsey needs to be in a situation where he is THE MAN, where he doesn't need to look over his shoulder ever quarter.

Last year in Jetland the QB job was wide open - Ramsey's for the takng. Before the season began, Pennington was not THE MAN. He was the QB trying to make a miraculous recovery from a 2nd rotator cuff injury. Hell, the only reason he was still on the roster was that it would have been prohibitive cap-wise to cut him. Even as the only healthy, experienced QB on the roster, Ramsey was unable to beat out a rookie - Clemons.

At the end of preseason, Ramsey was THIRD ON THE DEPTH CHART behind a recovering, candy-armed QB (even at full strength, Pennington wasn't going to be throwing any lasers) and a rookie.

He has had opportunities to be THE MAN (Gibbs gave him a shot, but he simply did not "seize the day" when the opportunity presented itself. And don't give me the "he had one series" crap - He had two seasons to TAKE the job, he didn't.)

As Matty said, it's time for him to WIN a job.

I like Ramsey, good, tough guy who is smart and personable. As I said earlier, he may be a late bloomer. He certainly has the physical tools to succeed, just a question of whether or not he can ever pick up the pace and shake the deer-in-the-headlights mentality.

For those of you who think it's everybody else's fault but his own that he is not a starting QB - go find a new conspiracy theory to back. This one's so weak that even World Wide Weekly wouldn't back it.

I've thought many times about Ramsey and why I liked him. Courage! The kid would take a hit and keep getting up.

It seems his strength was also his weakness. Not mobile in the pocket; held the ball too long; sometimes a poor decision (like no other QB ever did that).

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We are better off without him. But the kid has courage and I hope he catches on somewhere.

Yup, that's exactly why I liked him too. I kept hoping he would catch on to the mental aspects of the game so that his courage would let him make some big plays.

I do have to ask what was so great about Campbell last season? Did he do something above average, or was he pretty much below average[.]

In addition to an arm just as good as Ramsey's, I saw some incredible athleticism and instinct. I don't remember the game but we were on the 5 yard line or so, JC got flat out hit and still makes the throw for a TD. Several times at the home games, I saw him "feel" the open spot where a blitzer had come from and hit the hot read in that area. Again, I don't remember the specific game, but with a blitzer coming, JC lofted a nice 5-yard touch pass to a receiver who then turned it into a solid gain. Nice enough in itself, but, what made it really incredible, was that the play was clearly designed to go to the opposite side of the field - so JC: 1) felt the backside blitz; 2) avoided it long enough to turn and face the opposite direction; 3) tossed a sweet pass over the arms of the blitzer who was a yard or two away and closing fast.

I remember Ramsey making some nice throws and good plays, but they were always the ones accomplished by arm strength or toughness - not instinct.

In one-half of a season, I saw more athleticism and, more importantly, more football instinct from JC than I saw in PR's entire time with the Skins.

Ramsey may very well be much smarter than JC, but I think it is pretty clear that when it comes to having a feel for the game, JC is way beyond PR.

As somebody said earlier, when do we stop making excuses for PR?
He's a nice kid with great potential. Always showed courage under fire in game situations. Strong arm. These are some of the things that endeared many of us to him initially.
Unfortunately, he rarely looked relaxed in the pocket. Looked and acted nervous in pressure situations and generally did not produce positively in those scenarios. Had tendency to make bad decisions, throw the ball to the wrong color, miss very makeable throws.
Nobody Jinxed him. Nobody killed his career.
HE IS THE MASTER OF HIS OWN DESTINY
In the NFL it is incumbent on the player to impress his coach's, that he has what it takes to be the star. To date in, PR's relatively short career he has failed to do so with at least two head coach's. If PR is so fragile that his confidence can be PERMANENTLY scarred by a..........set back, by GIbbs, maybe he does not have IT.
If he has to have a "specially built" offensive cocoon around him to succeed, maybe he does not have IT.
At his position, the NFL needs unbreakable, tough guy's.
Maybe.........................he does not have........IT

Each one had more athletic ability. Each, as I remember, was able to move around the pocket and make time. Ramsey was a sitting target. Not once do I remember him sliding in the pocket or stepping up out of a collapsing pocket to create more time to make a play. In fact I distinctly remember watching Ramsey get sacked over and over again and not doing anything to avoid it. How many times did he drop back and just basically fall down as the guy got to him? Sometimes it even looked like a designed play...drop and fall down. Successful QBs do their fair share of sack avoidance and they use their atheltic abilities to do so. Peyton isn't any faster than Ramsey but he has good quick footwork and decent enough agility to use it to avoid maybe 10-15 sacks a year. Ramsey didn't ever show the agility to do it.

are you serious. who out here thinks Marino was more than a statue in the pocket. Williams, Rypien, Unitas, they couldn't move out of there own way. I am sorry, but I dont recall these guys being very "mobile" Ramsey, I agree was very challenged in the mobility department, plus he heald on to the ball WAY TOO long, which accounts for a lot of those sacks. Dude, seriously..Marino avoided a great number of his sacks because he had the ability to get the ball out faster than anyone has ever seen. Rypien, Williams had basically steel walls in front of them. If you recall, the redskins O-Line gave up what 9 sacks that whole year Rypien let us to the bowl, same for Dougy while he was playing. Lets not say they were mobile, I think all of us know they lacked that.

Bledsoe? how many times did he get sacked in his career? All most as much as anyone in history, why? because he doesn't move and holds on to the ball way too long. Unitas, are you kidding? he never moved. You make it sound like we need vick (OVERRATED) or freakin fran tarkenten or something.

Each one had more athletic ability. Each, as I remember, was able to move around the pocket and make time. Ramsey was a sitting target. Not once do I remember him sliding in the pocket or stepping up out of a collapsing pocket to create more time to make a play. In fact I distinctly remember watching Ramsey get sacked over and over again and not doing anything to avoid it. How many times did he drop back and just basically fall down as the guy got to him? Sometimes it even looked like a designed play...drop and fall down. Successful QBs do their fair share of sack avoidance and they use their atheltic abilities to do so. Peyton isn't any faster than Ramsey but he has good quick footwork and decent enough agility to use it to avoid maybe 10-15 sacks a year. Ramsey didn't ever show the agility to do it.


Well let me refresh your memory, monday night against the jets under SS one of the jets came on the blitz he ducked under him the player just missed taking his head off and then yanking him down from behind he then threw and completed a strike 40 yards downfield, there you go.

You can say he held the ball to long but he never had any time to hold it, no different than Brunell, only Brunell would throw the ball away the instant it was hiked, Ramsey had the guts to try and hang in the pocket and make a play with absolutly no protection, thats on the coaches. Of coarse all anyone would say about Brunell since he's been here is that he's afraid to hang in the pocket and make a play. Guys around here make it sound as if Ramsey had all day to throw, let alone just adequet protection, THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE!

As for arm strength, Campbell has no where's near the arm that Ramsey has, Cambpell despite what some may think does not possess a big arm he has maybe slightly above average arm strength.

I am curious, who on our roster was going to play ahead of Pennington? The fact is no one on our roster could make the Jets team [other than Campbell], they don't waste thier time with has beens and never been's, it's nice to see a team doing what they are supposed to be doing grooming a young guy for the backup position and as a future starter, who also could bring back a lot of value in a trade once he developes, lucky us we have no one who can step in and lead this team if Campbell goes down, and we really don't know if Campbell can lead?

I think it's an absolute joke that Brunell is being considered for the primary backup, A JOKE! Of coarse why stop now it was the biggest joke around the league when we traded for him.