Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Threads

I'm still not sold that Ramsey can't be a good QB in this league. I still saw alot of potential there, and before I say he is done and was a bust at QB, I'm gonna see where he goes the next couple years.
I kind of feel like Ramsey would be the type of QB that Gibbs would have wanted to draft out of college; although he did throw a lot of INTs at Tulane and that might have been a turn off.
I really place a lot of the blame for Ramsey's failures (up to this point) on Spurrier and the fun-and-gun.

Uh-oh, how long until we hear calls for Ramsey's return as the #3 with an incentive laden, veteran minimum deal?

Right after the "Resign Lavar, Smoot, Clark to vet minimum contracts" thread is started.

Isn't Dave Fiore still available for a vet minimum, incentive laden contract?

Sheriff:

Honest Injun: I had no idea you had morphed from "Ramseyfan" into the Sheriff. That was not a shot at you.

I'm not taking any glee in Ramsey's situation or that he's likely not to find any employment beyond #3 emergency QB anywhere in the league. I have no animosity toward Patrick Ramsey.

What I was hoping to get across was that it would be a good thing for folks to look at Skins' players and potential Skins' players with an objective filter on our eyes and not with "burgundy-and-gold colored glasses". Sometimes, you can see a guy out there on the field in a burgandy and gold uniform and it's OK to admit that he's just not all that good.

No prob. Yeah, it's sometimes hard to filter out the burgundy and gold glasses when peering through my glasses at Redskins. It was particularly hard to let go of my support for Ramsey since he was personable (I met him at the airport and had a nice chat), strong-armed, and took a hell of a lot of punishment but kept getting up. Besides, we haven't had a franchise QB in decades. So, it's hard not to try to find glimmers of hope in young QBs, particularly those that we draft in the first round.

Hopefully, JC will not prove to be the next Ramsey.

At this point I'm not buying the 'Spurrier ruined him' take anymore.

SC is right, it's time to take off the B&G colored glasses and just admit it, he is what he is. An average QB. He's heading into his 6th NFL season and it will likely be with his 3rd team. He's becoming a journeyman.

14 posts about Ramsey and not a single from offiss? i still Ramsay can be a serviceable NFL quarterback. im not sure if that season with spurrier made him shell shocked for life, or what?

If anyone followed his career at Tulane he was under just as much constant pressure as he was in the NFL. He even played at a higher weight in college to take all the punishment.

I think his main problems boil down to poor decision making and accuracy issues. Those two will land anyone on a NFL bench really quick, unless your last name is Manning of course.

I'll leave all of the details here to the Warpath historians - TAFKAS & Matty predominantly - to get all the details right. But a couple of years ago, I recall a few folks here on the Warpath asserting that Patrick Ramsey was going to become a great NFL QB and part of their "reasoning" was that in his first 15 games (?) as a starter, he had a better record than Brett Favre did or Peyton Manning did or John Elway did.

The latest from the NY Daily News is that the Jets are gonna cut Ramsey soon because if they don't they owe him a $1.4M roster bonus. They'll try to trade him of course, but they've sort of decided that they don't need his services in NYC any longer.


New York Daily News - Sports - Jets set to toss Ramsey (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/501388p-422803c.html)


So, what's the deal here? Is Ramsey still going to become a QB of the caliber of Favre/Manning/Elway (Hall of Fame players no doubt), or is he someone not worth the price of a phone call to see what his asking price is?

I'll vote for "not worth the price ... "

Patrick Ramsey = Thousand Dollar Arm + One Dollar Brain.

The deal is that he couldn't take the pressure. He didn't have a good head, and couldn't handle the press if he did something wrong... He was a big baby.

Sheriff:

I believe that Jason Campbell will be a real NFL QB. I'm not going to go nuts and say he's gonna be another Elway or that he'll be better than Manning/Brees/Palmer/McNabb next year. But I think he can become a much better than average NFL QB in the next several years and become someone the Skins can build around. Patrick Ramsey had equivalent arm strength and - given the pounding he took here - had to be as tough as Campbell. But here is why I think Campbell will be a better QB:

1. Campbell can run faster than Ramsey. When a QB has to run to save his ass, that's an important asset. When a QB needs to run to make a play, that's an important asset. Yes, I do recall that one run Ramsey made for about 40 yards in a game situation [it was against the Jets as I recall.]. It was a run that you could have timed with a sundial and it only happened once.

2. Campbell throws the "intermediate passes" much more accurately than Ramsey ever did.

3. When Campbell makes a mistake and comes off the field to talk to the coaches, he explains what he did and why; Ramsey always had a confused "deer-in-the-headlights" approach to those situations. QBs need to be leaders and "deer-in-the-headlights" is not a leadership characteristic.

4. Campbell is learning an NFL offense from the start. Ramsey had to try to learn a "gimmick offense" to start and then try to master an NFL offense. I an NOT saying that Spurrier ruined him; that's just too convenient an argument. But Spurrier's offense was a dead-end road in the NFL and Ramsey wasted time and effort trying to learn how to make it work.

So is David Carr stupid too cuz he is not looking good either and he was sacked a gazillion times in one season, but i see people, not here, saying hes a great qb just needs protection. not many qbs can ammount to much with that kind of pressure that carr and ramsey faced.